When it was revealed, how minimal express service actually saves time, a quick reminder that it was not built for speed. It was built for capacity with speed as an added bonus. It evens out passenger loading by having entire trains dedicated to only going between busiest stations. That said though, it’s mostly about the feeling that you’re going so fast. Although I find the 12 minute save of the (4)(5) GREAT and the three minutes save of the (A)(D) REALLY dissapointing

@jointransitassociation

Жыл бұрын

I mean the express tracks are great for capacity, but as a New Yorker, everyone talks about taking the express and avoiding the local. So to see that the express only saves a minuscule amount of time is pretty sad.

@JoeyLovesTrains

Жыл бұрын

I found it very interesting that the (4)(5) saves that much time. It was noticeable how fast it was compared to the (A)(D) express

@transitimprover

Жыл бұрын

@@JoeyLovesTrains it’s a much longer distance. The 456 goes from 125th St. to Brooklyn Bridge, City Hall, while the (A) (D) goes from 145th St. to 59th

@josephrosner905

Жыл бұрын

Having the longest express run in the subway system (CPW exp.) only saving a measly 3 mins shows that the MTA is just outright stupid, and designed to be slow as f-

@edot_nyc

3 ай бұрын

@@transitimproverThere is a 3+ mile gap between stations. 125th St to 59th St. There should be no reason a local can keep up with an express in this section.

2. Sometimes the trains leave early to allow another train to use the terminal track or sometimes the crew operating the train may just be quicker. 3. This can happen depending on a few things. If the trains are both early, they will hold the train behind to maintain even spacing. The clocks only reflect how far away the train is. 6. Its scheduled every 10-12, but if there aren't enough trains or crews available then they stretch out the resources 12. First train could be moving really slow or arrived late to the terminal and they sent it back out late. Then the next one is dispatched at it regular interval. First train picked up all the load, this train catches up.

These videos are funny but they’re true. Now as for my thoughts: Number 16: Jamaica Van Wyck station. Someone PLEASE renovate that station!! There’s no reason why I come down the stairs from Metropolitan Avenue and then have to start jetting yards on the upper deck like I’m 01 Michael Vick to get to the turnstile sometimes missing the train! 17: the MTA totally neglecting the connection at Livonia (L) and Junius (3). All they had to do was extend the footbridge for a little bit and build stairs/elevator/escalator up to the 3 platform. The end of the footbridge is actually very close to the (3) platform. Train bunching just drives me crazy! I definitely feel like they’re trolling as well lol. For close stations, Beverly and Cortelyou road are literally a block apart. I know someone who lives on 16th street in between those stations. Even though he’s a little closer to Cortelyou, I feel like I can just get off at either stop and I’ll walk the same distance lol. Skip stop is just a complete joke. Between Van Siclen and Chauncey on the J, the Z train makes all four consecutive stops 🤦🏽‍♂️.

As a Mets fan on the upper east side going to Citi field is a pain I hate the walk from the Q to the 7 train and vice versa it’s very time consuming especially going uptown because you have to loop the station

Another thing that brings my piss to a boil are the Metrocard Machines themselves, there is a 50/50 chance that there will be something wrong with the machine. To which it consumes more of your time with problems like “No Bills”, “No Coins”, “Single Rides Only” or “Exact Change Only” at this time. But like with the turnstiles, it seems like this problem will eventually be solved with OMNY.

Reason # 18: Current live update from previous post. What is happening on this Lexington Avenue Line where someone is constantly activating the emergency breaks?? Currently right now, I’m thinking I’m saving time by getting on an express train at Brooklyn Bridge City Hall, only to find out later that the delays were on the express track, and 5 local trains are just bypassing this train in the dust at Astor Place! And no conductor or crew member said a word about it! 🤦🏽‍♂️😒😒😠😠😠 and now here I am thinking I’m playing it safe by switching to local at 14th street only for express trains to run normal again 😒😒😒

I live in Upper Manhattan and the 3-5 minutes saved in not using the "Super Express" between 125 and 59 can be misleading. The B &C share the line on weekdays so any delays or re-routes holds both lines up, adding time. I've taken the C local from 168 to 59 during rush hours and it easily adds up to 10 minutes to my commute, most of which comes after 145 St.

We should send the M to Astoria-Ditmars Boulevard with the W, and have the N replace the F along 63rd Street (displacing the F to 53rd Street with the E) and replace the M to Forest Hills-71st Avenue. The M will run along the 63rd Street branch, and then along a brand new tunnel between Roosevelt Island and Queensboro Plaza. I call this proposal the "Queensboro Connection". With this plan, not only will you see the M running on the BMT Astoria Branch with the W, or the N running local with the R on the Queens Boulevard Line, but you will also see no delays at Queens Plaza on the E or R, caused by the M trains switching tracks at that station. The N will be reassigned to Jamaica Yard and be able to share R160's with the E, F, G, and R, while a new yard can be built next to the ConEdison power plant to store R160's on the M and R68/A's on the W.

@jointransitassociation

Жыл бұрын

I honestly don't like this proposal, because although it might eliminate a merge at Queens Plaza, you introduced an nasty merging system at the 63rd St line. What I am imagining from your plan is that the N would merge with the M, then the M will spilt with the N and merge with the W. After that, the N will merge with the R. By doing this, you introduced a mini DeKalb junction, which is a no go. What I think would solve a lot of merging conflicts is the following. F/M via 63rd, then via QBL Local (30+ tph combined, if using 179th St) E/K via 53rd, then via QBL Express (36 tph combined) -E runs from 179th to the Rockaways, also IND Fulton St Express -K runs from Jamaica Center to Lefferts Blvd, also IND Fulton St Local R via 59th, then via BMT Astoria Line (21 tph) N/Q to 96th St-2nd Ave (24 tph combined) In this scenario, there will no longer be any merging conflicts in Queens. All trains will have one pair of tracks.

@VinceHere98

Жыл бұрын

@@jointransitassociation Well there is one alternative to my plan, and that would be an extension of the G along Northern Boulevard. The new line would be 3 tracks, from a new lower level at Queens Plaza up to Bayside-Cross Island Parkway. Both the G and M will run along this new line, and the N will continue to run to Astoria-Ditmars Boulevard, but via the Queensboro connection, and on its own. The connection from the 59th Street line to the Astoria line will only be used by W trains during rush hours, but other than that, the W will run with the R to Forest Hills, and be extended into Brooklyn to run with the R along 4th Avenue local and later West End with the B (the B runs express with the D along 4th Avenue, and terminates at Bay Parkway while the W continues on to Coney Island). Alternatively we can send the W to Euclid Avenue via a brand new tunnel under the east river connecting to the Fulton Street line and have the C run express and replace the A to Lefferts Boulevard, while the J runs with the R along 4th Avenue to Bay Ridge-95th Street while the B and D handle West End and Sea Beach respectively, making all stops on their respective branches to Coney Island. This would mean the elimination of the Z train as it would not be able to run with the J and R along the Montague tube as it will only carry air. The N will run with the Q along Brighton (The N runs local while the Q runs express), and replace the Q to Coney Island. The R will still run to Bay Ridge-95th Street as usual. The N, Q, R, and W will stop at DeKalb Avenue while the B and D skip the station entirely. The M will still displace the F along 63rd Street, but the connection between 21st Street-Queensbridge and 36th Street will no longer be used, as the line will connect with the Northern Boulevard line instead. Really, I'm vehemently against the idea of taking the R off of Queens Boulevard. To me, the R belongs there, especially given that it runs with R160's now due to the MTA sending all the 10-car units to Jamaica Yard. There might still be some merging conflicts in my revised plan, but at least it still keeps the R on Queens Boulevard.

@jointransitassociation

Жыл бұрын

@@VinceHere98 Okay, first of all, your Northern Blvd plan isn't really strong. Any new subway line shouldn't be built for reverse branching because you are cutting capacity in the core of the city, where you want to have the most capacity. What I see is that M trains would be packed, while G trains would be empty. Then the M would have to merge with the F, where you create a scenario where you have to time three trains with various different frequencies. That is just interlining, plain and simple. I suppose that you are also taking away the M and replacing it with the W. Well, try having that talk with Astoria riders because you are cutting half of their capacity. It won't go very well, I assure you. Also, a Northern Blvd subway isn't even completely necessary. Regional rail on Port Washington, which is something we are trying to advocate for, would be much better. This new line would serve as a nice super express bypass, and can be upgraded to half of the capacity of the 7 (35k riders/hr) at a few hundred million dollars. That is a tiny fraction of the cost of the Northern Blvd subway, yet serves the same purpose: decongest the 7. Your Brooklyn plans are something to be noted, especially the section where you want local W trains to continue while ending B express trains. Why not do it in reverse? Have B trains go to Coney Island and end W locals on 9th Ave. But that is not the main issue I have with this plan. The main issue I have with this plan is that you are trying to have one local and one express service on West End (in this case, the B and W trains). You are creating another 59th St Junction here. I know that everyone loves to complain about DeKalb junction on the B Dvision, but 59th St Junction on Central Park West is the other terrible junction that the MTA schedules trains around. The structure of 59th is the same as what you are proposing south of 36th St, which is a complete no go. Your other plan of sending the W to Euclid is very interesting. But that is not my main issue. My issue is your merging of J and R trains. Why? If you are going to build a completely new tunnel, it should be used to its maximum capacity. Have both the R and W trains on the new tunnel, and keep the J exclusively on Montague. Another thing is your choice on 4th Ave and Brighton. Brighton should get 6th Ave because of rider preference. And yes, switches on DeKalb allow for that to happen without any merging conflicts. The R never really belonged on QBL. The N used to live there, and the R was in Astoria. If you really care about yard access, either A: send the R down West End, and add switches past 36th St to allow complete deinterlining so that R trains can access Coney Island Yard, B: Build a yard at Astoria and facilitate a R to LGA, and/or C: realize that 6th Ave and Broadway are like a block apart in the Central Business District. In the end, here is the plan for Brooklyn. B/D: 4th Ave express, with B trains local after 36th St to 95th St, while D trains stay express to 59th St and run via Sea Beach (B: 12 tph, D: 12 tph) R: 4th Ave local via West End (21 tph) N: Brighton express to Brighton Beach (12 tph) Q: Brighton local to Coney Island (12 tph) I get it, you want to keep the R on QBL. But this is not feasible, and the R running on QBL was never the case. It was added after the entire QBL was constructed, and was rush hour service at best back then and as you can see here, by trying to keep the R and W trains together on QBL, you created more issues and conflict points. The R on QBL needs to go. Having the R rerouted on West End while running the B to 95th on the local track after 36th and the D via Sea Beach solves the yard issue. If you are interested, please read this plan: www.vanshnookenraggen.com/_index/2020/10/deinterlining-with-one-switch/ Hope this information helps!

@VinceHere98

Жыл бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@jointransitassociation I got the idea of taking the M off of Queens Boulevard and replacing it with another line from a post I read on KZread. I came up with sending the M to Astoria via a new connection but I didn’t think it would be problematic. I know that the R was never originally meant to run on the QBL, but since the MTA has kept it there since sometime around the 80’s or 90’s, it’s pretty much now the norm. I know that many people tend to endlessly complain about the R and wish for it to leave the QBL, but to me, QBL is the R’s home, and it would feel empty without it, at least in my opinion. I guess perhaps the last solution would be to have the N run via the Queensboro connection while only the R and W handle 59th, have the M run via 2nd Avenue with the Q to 96th Street (until Phase 3 is constructed, but we can have a compromise in making the SAS a 4-track system as originally intended in the IND Second System, with the M and Q running local while the T runs express), and have a connection between 50th Street and Lexington-63rd to introduce the K train and have it replace the F along the 63rd Street branch (Roosevelt Island will be served by the K and N, and 21st Street-Queensbridge is served by the K), and have it run local with the R to Forest Hills, while the G runs along Northern Boulevard on its own, unless we introduce the V and have it run with the G along Northern Boulevard, and another new tunnel under the East River to connect with the T at 42nd Street. The T runs express while the V runs local, and the V will terminate at Grand Street while the T continues on to Hanover Square. Both the A and C will run express on 8th Avenue while the E and K run local, terminating at World Trade Center and perhaps even interchange R160’s. The A and C will run local along CPW and the B and D run express. In addition, I’ll take your suggestion in having the R and W run along the new tunnel to Euclid Avenue, and have the J and Z handle Montague and 4th Avenue local, with the J going to Bay Ridge-95th Street and the Z running to Bay Parkway. Both the B and D can instead handle Brighton while the N and Q handle 4th Avenue express, with the N running along Sea Beach and the Q running with the Z along West End. Alternatively, we can still kill off the Z and have the T run with the J along Montague, though I would have the T run to Bay Ridge-95th and the J run to Bay Parkway. It may not be the best solution, but it is one when it comes to keeping the R on Queens Boulevard. Of course we could have the R run with the G along Northern Boulevard while the K runs with the V along QBL local, but I still wish to keep the R on the QBL.

@VinceHere98

Жыл бұрын

Alternative to my final plan: instead of ending the V at Grand Street, it can merge with the F at Houston Street-Second Avenue and run along the Rutgers Street tunnel and express along Culver with the F while the G runs local, and terminate at Kings Highway. The original V was planned to be extended to run local with the G to Church Avenue, but I do think this new V running to Kings Highway would be better.

#18: Current live update from previous post. What is happening on this Lexington Avenue Line where someone is constantly activating the emergency breaks?? Currently right now, I’m thinking I’m saving time by getting on an express train at Brooklyn Bridge City Hall, only to find out later that the delays were on the express track, and local trains are just bypassing this train in the dust at Astor Place! And no conductor or crew member said a word about it! 🤦🏽‍♂️😒😒😠😠😠

I hate hate hate hate that the b doesnt run on weekends. The Q gets so crowded on weekends in brooklyn.

1. DAMN RELATABLE. But just use OMNY. It’s a better option. 2. So fun fact. I was in Woodside and my LIRR train arrived 3 minutes earlier than expected. Once I got out of the restaurant I was eating in, I RAN TO THE TRAIN AS IT PULLED IN THE STATION. Fortunately, I made it. 3. So this never happened to me, but the closest thing of something like this is when i see 17 MINUTES for the next J train to Jamaica Center. 4. I remember one time I was in 74th st and the Manhattan bound 7 dumped a lot of passengers. EVERYONE USED EVERY SINGLE CORNER OF THE STAIRWELL GOING DOWN TO THE MEZZANINE! I missed the train because of that. Fortunately, the next one came in 3 minutes. (You should do a top 10 reasons why the 7 is godly ngl) 5. Yeah the construction cost was ridiculous. But I honestly don’t see a problem with the Atlantic Shuttle. Imo, just double frequencies for peak, and off peak hours and everything will go good. I’ve seen less people complain about these new schedules at least and thanking the MTA for listening to them, especially Penn commuters. Remember, it’s rare for a huge company to open up to its community, and actually listen to them. So props to the MTA for listening to the LIRR customers. 6. The (R) is better than the (C). Fight me. At least the (M)(N) and (W) trains carry how infrequent the (R) can be. In Brooklyn, yeah uh. Gl. 7. Eh. The (M) shouldn’t be a loop anyways. But I do want the IBX. That will definitely help. 8. TIMES SQUARE IS SO CONFUSING FR. We need better signage or a whole redesign of the transfer system. At least se got the 6 ave connection which imo was a good idea. 9.some trains go rocket speed at least. Plus, even a few minutes saves THOUSANDS of $$ for New Yorkers. 10. WHY IS MANHATTAN BRIDGE SO SLOW???? at least it’s faster than taking the (R) from Atlantic to Canal st. But it’s still bad. Even the (R) is like a rocket in the 60th st and Montague st tunnels. 11. The MTA needs to reactivate the upper level. 12. Ah yes, I love when a (C) and (E) train ride on top of each other. C in 10, and a E in 10. 13. On a fast local like the (1), it’s not really a problem. I think the stations are fine. 14. At least the MTA put this FIRST on the 2025-2044 20 year needs assessment 15. KILL IT KILL IT. Peak express on the (J) should be 100% considered though. But note, making peak express service also cut wait times in half for local users. So, I say a major overhaul to the junction, the entire Nassau St line from delecany to chambers st, and the myrtle junction to be redesigned or revamped. Alright so that’s it. Uh? Keep up the good work?

@qjtvaddict

Жыл бұрын

Easy fix de interline manhattan bridge

12:25 by redirecting the J, that cuts the quarter-mile walking radius in half, and remove the J from its commercial area, which may stunt the natural growth of the area

@jointransitassociation

Жыл бұрын

I know, but the other option, which is to smoothen the Cresent St S curve will take significant properties and doesn't allow for a third track to be installed (though creating a peak direction express service could do more harm than good, as that is another half of its capacity gone).

@TheRailLeaguer

Жыл бұрын

@@jointransitassociation There’s actually another solution, and it lies in vanshnookenraggen’s plans for the Second Avenue Subway. Here, he has the entire eastern from Cypress Hills eastward connected via a new Jamaica Avenue Subway. You can read about it in the article called The Future of the 2nd Avenue Subway.

@peskypigeonx

Жыл бұрын

@@jointransitassociationI don’t think that you would need a third track that far out where you are trying to capture those riders, except for non-service purposes

@peskypigeonx

Жыл бұрын

@@jointransitassociationAs for how to speed up Jamaica… that’s really difficult to solve

As a former conductor and a railfan. I HATE the 42nd. & 8th. and Canal Street from Bway. to the J train.

There are two major schools by the 10th Ave station that would all greatly benefit, but they rely on the M42 instead, which cannot handle the capacity of these giant schools

The Fulton Center tranfer !!!

Manhattan bridge crossing is crazy slow

SEPTA ended skip/stop on the Market/Frankford line.

For Montague Street deinterlining, here's my version of the plan: A: 168th Street to WTC via CPW Lcl/8th Ave Local B: 207th Street to Bay Ridge-95th Street via CPW Express/6th Avenue Express/4th Avenue Express (Local south of 36th street) C: Bedford Park Blvd to WTC via Concourse Lcl/CPW Lcl/8th Ave LCL D: 205th Street to Coney Island via Concourse Lcl to Coney Island via Concourse Lcl (EXP Rush Hours)/CPW EXP/6th Avenue EXP/4th Avenue Express/Sea Beach Local E: Jamaica Center to Far Rockaway via Queens Boulevard Express/53rd Street/8th Avenue Express/Fulton Street Express F: Forest Hills to Coney Island via Queens Boulevard Lcl/63rd Street/6th Avenue Lcl/South Brooklyn Express/Culver Lcl G: Court Square to Church Aveune via Crosstown Lcl J: Jamaica Center to Broad Street via Jamaica Lcl (Rush Hour Express) K: 179th Street to Lefferts Blvd via Queens Boulevard Express/53rd Street/8th Avenue Express/Fulton Street Lcl L: 8th Avenue to Canarsie via Canarsie Lcl M: 179th Street to Metropolitan Aveune via Queens Blvd Lcl/63rd Street/6th Avenue Lcl/Jamaica Lcl/Myrtle Avenue Lcl N: 96th Street to Brighton Beach via Broadway Express/Brighton Express Q: 96th Street to Coney Island via Broadway Express/Brighton Local R: Astoria to Coney Island via Broadway Local/4th Ave Local/West End Local Improvements -Reconstruction of switches at Astoria-Ditmars to turn 30 trains per hour -New switches between local and express tracks south of 36th street, allowing locals to serve West End, and Expresses to split between Bay Ridge and Sea Beach

@RBMapleLeaf

11 ай бұрын

Regarding the F. I personally think we should have Culver Express and have G run Culver Local between Jay Street Metrotech and Church Avenue. South of Church Avenue F will run local. So we won’t necessarily have interlining between F and G trains at Bergen Street. We could open Bergen Street (Lower Level) but what are your thoughts?

@Amiri_Francis

9 ай бұрын

Due stop JUST STOP!!! The MTA literally just stated deinterlining is not the solution, y’all are in the minority, I hate rail enthusiasts OBSESSING over de-interlining like it's this grand magic bullet that will make NYC Subway perfect and act like reverse branching catalyst of all problems...! We can all agree that our nyc mass transit system suffers from many problems, but the solution isn't to RADICALLY change the system because you ideally want to see your favorite subway line on a different route.

Yeah, I agree on the M train. It's a waste of money and time like get rid of that fucking loop and connect them together, bring the V train back but extended it to Church Avenue, going via 63rd while F goes via 53rd, (BTW it would still be Queens Blvd LCL), have the orange M be brown and extend it beyond forest hills, give it its own platforms to terminate somewhere in Queens like Belmont, Jamica or anywhere I don't care it's time for the Orange M to stop being a fucking loop and a huge waste of time along with that it also fucked the R in Queens. Also, improve the Myrtle Junction.

This is a local bound a train the next stop is 231 st

Make a part 3 please.

Oh my 2:16 That app is a lie One time i was on a c train. The app said a A train in 1 min so i got off at Broadway junction and looked at the clock at the station 16 min for the a train 17 for the c train Screw that app.

5:06 AGREED I TAKE THE R ALMOST EVERY 2-3 SATURDAYS AND IT TAKES 12 MINS EACH AND THE LINE IS TO SLOW 5:06 5:06 5:06 😮

Around the middle of the video, I begin thinking about circuitous routes. And I’m wondering if the Staten Island extension is even good for the R after all if it’s such a bad line as for the M, this is exactly why it can’t go to the Rockaways because then it would be super circuitous and confusing. By official means, the M going from the Rockaways of the Rockaway Beach Branch to Queens Boulevard would be SOUTHBOUND since that’s the direction it goes on sixth Avenue later in the route. Indeed, the M in its current form is super confusing. It’s at 2 ends of the Q38! Wait till it becomes the IBX

@AndersAviationShorts

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

Why it uploaded so late

There are many discussions (the one I participated in led by Mystic transit) and how to improve the J train, many of which involve eliminating the Z

@jointransitassociation

Жыл бұрын

Fixing BMT Jamaica is going to be pretty hard. Firstly, there would is a built-in bottleneck, which is the Williamsburg Bridge, and the bridge can only handle 24 tph. Anything over would do significant harm to the bridge. This means that the maximum capacity east of Myrtle Ave is 12 tph. That is fine, but it discourages peak direction express service, as another half of its capacity would be gone. Therefore, station consolidation would be a better choice, but I still don't like station consolidation, because it will involve making some harsh decisions on what station to cut.

@transitimprover

Жыл бұрын

@@jointransitassociation how hard is it to make the necessary improvements to the bridge to handle more trains?

@jointransitassociation

Жыл бұрын

@@transitimprover That is an interesting question, but I will say very hard. Even when the bridge opened in 1903, it was extremely shoddy, as beams and cables were already corroding. Fast forward to the 80s and 90s, the bridge was rated the worst in NYC, even beating out the Manhattan and Brooklyn Bridge. Even though the Williamsburg Bridge has been extensively rehabilitated in the 1990s, the bridge again has deteriorated and more renovation work began in late 2022. So to answer the question, I think that unfortunately 24 tph would be here to stay because of how shoddy the bridge is.

@transitimprover

Жыл бұрын

@@jointransitassociation That's sad

@calvinkendrick851

Жыл бұрын

I saw that same video from Mystic Transit. He had the idea of creating a separate express track running on what I believe would be Jamaica Avenue from about Alabama Avenue to Cypress Hills.

No but I hate the mta because THE DAM 4 TRAIN RUNS EACH 12 MINS AND 5 Trains RUN EACH 4-3 MINS IT SUCKS

The one thing I hate the most about the R is how long it takes to get through the 60th street tunnel. I think I spent a half hour there 🤡

@jointransitassociation

Жыл бұрын

Usually, trains operating the 60th St Tunnel are fast, especially the N and W. The R is somewhat slow traveling through the 11th St cut, but once it reaches the 60th St Tunnel portion, it speeds up massively. However, there was an instance where it took me 15 minutes or so to travel through because there was some construction work (I think). It was pretty frustrating.