Does the Lucid Air have enough range to make you overlook its flaws? Let us know what you think in the comments.

@anttivalkama9724

6 ай бұрын

Never. It is the most expensive kit car.

@TheGamingArt

6 ай бұрын

lol, you guys put out a piss poor bias review

@MachelleLedford-pj6mc

6 ай бұрын

I invested in the lucid they have a great team I hope to own one someday 😮

@bavariancarenthusiast2722

6 ай бұрын

Well it's a half baked car - no surprise here - but it's not a 180k car (which it would cost over here). It is a 80k€ car in the real world - without options. No surprise it's not selling.

@johnb8573

6 ай бұрын

Did you not take it in for service? I mean, many cars have small flaws easily rectified. I’d take back any car that had those tiny things

I have to reply as an owner of a lucid air touring with 6000 miles. paid 86000 with the $7500 tax credit that was availalbe for early reservation holders and orders before the end of 2022. (since then the price is back down with very attractive leases making it the same as my price or better with free pricey options on some models in stock). Best car I've ever had. No complaints at all. The Edmunds AGT car was an early build. I was happy to wait for the later Touring version for this reason. all the OTA's have been minutes, easily done when you park after a commute. The build quality is on par with any other Luxury car I've had including BMW, Mercedes, Acura, Porsche and Genesis. I never had issues with the soft close doors. Why even lock with the keyfob when it auto locks and opens when you walk away or approach it with the phone , lucid cardkey or the keyfob in your presence? It does not have level 3 yet but does have adequate handsfree mode for highway driving, as good as my Genesis. The touring is rated at 412 miles at 100% charge but Lucid advises 80% max charge for daily drives saving the 100% for long trips. I have free charging at EA for 3 years so I charge at one near my work every 3 days which is about 180miles total distance. I go from 10 to 70% state of charge in about 15 minutes for a final range of over 210 miles the way I drive which is 80mph+ on the highways and usually the fasted on the street without being unsafe or obnoxious to others. Usually first off the line by far at any stop and go opportunity. If driven conservatively I have no doubt it'll do at least 350 miles starting at a 100% but since you need to get to a charger probably 300 miles comfortably between stops on a long trip. Charging infrastructure is getting better and EA is replacing their chargers with new 350kwh ultrafast chargers so it's only going to get better. The fact that EV sales are slowing is also working in my favor as there won't be as many to compete for charging away from home. Maintenance cost is zero, except for tires for the first 3 years. First scheduled maintenance is at 20000 miles. The benefit of larger battery is not just max range but better charging speeds as the max KWH delivered is higher at the lower the state of charge, which is why I rarely charge above 70% unless I have nothing else to do but sit in the car for another 5 minutes to get to 80%. Also you can stay in the ideal SOC for battery preservation since you don't charge to Max or deplete it to Min everytime. I don't see the appeal for any other Luxury EV like the Taycan, EQs, Etrons, or even the Ioniq/EV6s, because if the max range is 240 miles then you reallistically only can use 180 miles of that and to get it you have to charge for longer times at a public charging station. I know cause I see them plugged in next to me before I strart and stay after I leave. Plus the Lucid is much more spacious and rides better than all of them. The way Edmunds has been using this car on the drag strip is fun but that's a lot of wear and tear on a personal car that most won't subject theirs to. The fact that it has had no mechanical faults other than trim and door issues is a testament to quality of the drivetrain and the chassis.

My father in law has the air grand touring. He had a model S right before it and says he likes the lucid a lot more. So far no issues other than the steering wheel creak. This car still gets looks from people walking by. It really is a stunner. Just hope this company survives.

@markplott4820

5 ай бұрын

Loocid still has VERY CRAPPY software & Computer hardware. the Loocid WUNDERBOX does not even work.

@rp1268

5 ай бұрын

@@markplott4820 what is wrong with your software and wunderbox?

Our Lucid has almost 42k miles and it’s the best car we’ve ever owned.

@strawdemindset

6 ай бұрын

Sounds great, too bad this company will probably fail

@husky2423

6 ай бұрын

Man that depreciation has to be brutal

@isserdigan2835

6 ай бұрын

@@strawdemindset people said that about Tesla.. but a lot of big hedge funds are buying the stocks up. Also PIF fund is backing this Company

@keithmaddock

6 ай бұрын

28k and counting on mine since March, and I have the same conclusion. Didn't need to go back to dealer until 26k. Phenomenal vehicle!

@nickho4320

6 ай бұрын

@@strawdemindsetlmao way to blow his excitement,

Have owned a 2023 Air Touring for 6 months and have had zero problems other than those identified by a recall of wiper bolts not being properly tightened. A mobile service van came to my home and took care of it. Hopefully some of the issues in the 2022 tested have been worked out.

You actually don't say a single thing about how it drives, charges, or practicality of living with the vehicle. It's all cutsey complaints about minor build quality issues in a first generation car. I watch hundreds of car reviews each year. This one perhaps the most bizarre one I have seen. It just wasn't of use.

@erickonassis6310

2 ай бұрын

Thank you

@simba6201

10 күн бұрын

Right!!!^^ bizarre…

For a publication that focuses on long term consumer testing I’d expect a more nuanced representation of information yet every “fact” is delivered in such a myopic fashion with little concern for the big picture. E.G. We know EPA testing is always generous, yet Edmunds seems surprised when every car falls short. Just measure the range tests as a percentage against its epa score and then compare that percentage to the market average 🤷‍♂️

@jackj5368

4 ай бұрын

All three Edmunds presenters in this video are homosexual. They had other things on their mind.

I am a risk taker and early adopter, got my teala model S in 2012 when no one has ever heard of tesla let alone putting down substaintial $ for an unproven car. After 10 years, I have my Air GT in late 2022. Air GT is not perfect from software prospective but the driving dynamics and built quality are much superior than tesla. Just pure fun. I used to drive german before EVs, yes german has better fit and finish but the pace of innovation is so...slow. Someone got to give new guys a chance otherwise we will always stick to the old world and I won't mind to be a guinea pig . Plus these are true American cars.

@TheGamingArt

6 ай бұрын

Had a 2013 Model S and couldn’t agree more. My AGT is hands down my favorite car to date.

@bW9taeH4

6 ай бұрын

@@TheGamingArt My S is a 2014 and the GT is a 2023, and I agree. But I also know what it's like to start with a relatively early build and watch the features pile on over the years. I expect the Lucid to keep getting better.

@KTAC1

5 ай бұрын

folks like you are very much appreciated and the reason why tech evolves. thank you

@jackj5368

4 ай бұрын

I value my petrol powered Mercedes, and plan to buy another similar, Mercedes model soon. I'll let others play guinea pigs with electrical-power cars.

Seriously, my AGT has been the best EV I’ve owned to date compared to my Taycan, EQS, and Model S. It’s not even a competition.

@Hmmm313

6 ай бұрын

Fuck is a agt???

@tyrellcobb4665

5 ай бұрын

You collect EVs for a living or what? Is there an EV you haven't owned?

@grokker99

5 ай бұрын

Can you be bit more general?

So over 440 average real world miles at hwy speeds in a 1,000+hp awd heavy luxo barge while only using 3.5 gallons of gas in energy. 😎 American made world leading heavy ev sedan efficiency right there! 👍🏻

I'm coming up on 12,000 miles on my Air. Fortunately, I've had many fewer niggles with my car. While not able to hit 515 miles of range, I'm getter good range even though we drive it faster and harder than is good for range. My only real concern is Apple Car play. The car will jump from one phone to the other if both are synched to the car. Maddening, but I still love the car. I do mostly long road trips with this car and the Lucid Air GT makes this easy even in places with very limited charging infrastructure.

I do not own a Lucid. Based on the review from your company I would absolutely buy the car. Four hundred mile range is awesome. Two service trips in 2 years with several different drivers that is very good. If the company survives and the price becomes more reasonable, it will be my next purchase.

@DanBlackRacing

4 ай бұрын

Save yourself $90,000 and get a Camry hybrid with the same carbon footprint, more money in your pocket, three decade proven reliability, serviceability literally anywhere on the internet that they are roads.

@averyparticularsetofskills

3 ай бұрын

​@@DanBlackRacing I get what your saying but two totally different galaxies

My 2022 just turned 17K and other than initial delivery issues and software issues way back when I first purchased the car, the car has been rock solid no issues.

@clintsimone

5 ай бұрын

Glad to hear it!

My Lucid Air just hit 16,000 miles. My steering wheel also had a creak in it. Lucid sent a mobile tech to my house and replaced it with a new one. Problem solved. The car has been an absolute joy to own. It’s quiet, comfortable, and fast. 400 miles without a charge is no problem. I’m not sure why Edmunds is so negative about this car. Perhaps there is a hidden agenda. Ask a real owner and you’ll get a much more positive review.

@edmundscars

6 ай бұрын

No hidden agenda! But the issues we've had are not things that should be happening with a $140,000 luxury car, and that's just the truth.

@AnimationDarkMaster

6 ай бұрын

It's a new car company. The issues were minor. They Rectify any issues brought up and the service is prompt and excellent. They come to you too.

@theborski

6 ай бұрын

@@edmundscarsexcept these things do happen, often, with other $140k cars quite often - you just tend to overlook them in videos about pretty much any other vehicle, giving them less airtime and praising them more. It’s totally okay to *not like* the car. It just seems like you spend a lot more time being annoyed by the small niggles (and moreover, not actually trying to fix them by calling service for a mobile visit) than you do enjoying the car.

@bW9taeH4

6 ай бұрын

@@edmundscars I've had that level of problems with other cars in the six figure range, and I expect that there might be some problems. As long as they will be fixed under warranty without inconveniencing me much, I care more about how much I like the car for day to day use. If this were 1985 and you were talking about how often the car broke down or stalled out on the road, I'd be looking for something more reliable. I don't know how many days you owned the car, but I'd estimate that if it needed one or two shop visits, or visits from Lucid to a customer's home, that would be, in rounded terms, zero percent of the days that you owned the car. And in real world terms, it might be one more time than one that ranks up high on the reliability list. It seems to me that Edmunds, CR and others have gotten so hung up in the 1950s to 1980s mentality of how much weight to give to "reliability" that you fail to consider that how close the repair shop is to my dentist's office could be a bigger real world factor these days. Stop acting as if something that was once a huge consideration when buying a car is at the same level. Other people are buying cars that will need a dozen shop visits over five years for oil changes and brake jobs alone. You need to check a calendar to see what century this is. Lucid owners aren't calling their bosses to tell them that their car won't start for the third time this month. I've lived through that era. There's a reason why reliability should have weighed as a major factor back then, but these days it literally has nothing to do with whether you can rely on the vehicle. Edmund's needs to wake up and realize that it's a matter of how much people will like the car overall that matters. I bought a Chevy Cruze for my daughter and it had bad sun visors. Between the day in the shop for them to figure out that they needed to change them, to the return visit when they had the parts, to the four times I used the courtesy shuttle to the delays in traffic and not having things fixed at the time promised, I could write paragraph after paragraph about how it was a bigger waste of my time than all the problems you experienced put together.

@keithmaddock

6 ай бұрын

Agreed. 28k on my '23 Touring and have had very few major issues.

465 miles is close to 500 miles. Make it make sense. All cars are subject to falling short of their standards but that's more due to the car being rushed to production of which there are many manufacturers that have done the same thing. I do understand that you expect high quality for the price that you spent for the car but it's quite possible that you got an early version that wasn't up to par and that's something that happens even with MB, BMW, Audi and so forth and so on. Once they clean up the quality issues and get it on par with the OTA updates. Hopefully Lucid will be around for the long-term.

Regarding the comment at 1:55, the price of this car is still around $138k. However, a few standard options for the GT are now optional. So removing DreamDrive Pro cut $9000, and Surreal Sound Pro was another $2900.

@Saymriy

4 ай бұрын

It’s 116k now right?

@KRZslayer

4 ай бұрын

@@Saymriy Yes, and no. If you are able to find the "Design Yours" option on the website, the pricing is currently the same as my original comment. However, they aren't letting you design and purchase any GT that way at the moment. (They do allow designing and ordering for the Pure, Touring, and Sapphire though.) Instead you get an option to view similar cars and you can buy a car already made. I am seeing those GTs around $117-118k with dreamdrive pro and surreal sound pro included. Pretty crazy price drop. So you're right. They just might not have the exact configuration you're looking for. These also may be 2023 model years as they just switched to 2024 and they have a ton of GTs they built, but havent sold.

Since this is the second time you've mentioned the 21 inch wheels being impossible to find, I decided to take a look. It took me a whole 2 minutes to find a set for sale online. What's going on here?

@vickykennel3022

5 ай бұрын

Edmunds reviewers spreading hate on Lucid

Seems like lucid doesn't offer a 19 inch performance tire. Did you guys look at getting a different size of wheel for it?

The Edmunds reviewers come across as a bit obnoxious in their reactions (a bit over the top IMO) to what seem like fairly minor issues. I get that it's an expensive car where fit and finish should be exemplary, but I suspect most Lucid / Rivian buyers understand there will be some issues with a new car from a new manufacturer

@bW9taeH4

6 ай бұрын

True. So far I have a few minor issues that aren't quite at that level, will be fixed, but aren't important enough that I can't wait a month for a convenient appointment. My Model S, on paper, might be the least "reliable" car I've owned. But in the classic sense of reliability, meaning that I could depend on it to get me places when I needed it to, it never had a problem that kept me from using it. Early on, Tesla had excellent service, so it was easy to have them fix things, give me a Model S loaner, and return the car to my house when it was done. So even with a list of minor issues, I was inconvenienced a lot less than with previous cars that were much more reliable on paper. My Model 3 was one of the first few hundred made, had its share of things that needed changing, but almost none of it affected usage. On paper it was a lot. But I had things fixed either in my own garage or when I brought the car in for something else not problem related and would have been there anyway. In terms of things that affected use, they were barely significant. So having cars that are less "reliable" on paper doesn't mean that there's an ordeal to owning them. With the Lucid, it's too early to tell, but the problems so far won't affect my usage of the car. I'm old enough to remember when reliability was high on the list of factors to consider when buying a car, because nobody wanted a car that kept stalling out or that you couldn't depend on to get you places. Now, "reliability" comes down to whether a company needs to send somebody to your home to fix a few minor issues. The idea of getting a car that I'd like less day in and day out to avoid answering the phone once or twice when a tech shows up to fix something minor makes no sense to me.

@cisky1972

6 ай бұрын

If I paid >$130k for a car, there is no such thing as 'minor issues'😅

Stunning, brilliant car. I purposely avoid being amongst the first with new cars, but for this it would be worth it.

EPA range is based off mixed driving, city, secondary, and highway driving. Why is it somehow classified as a 'fail' when the vehicle doesn't achieve that number during exclusively highway driving? It shouldn't take years for journalists to learn that EV's consume the most energy at highway speeds.

Should review it after 100k miles, 200k miles, 300k miles to obtain more realistic statistics. Like battery life, motor performance, body structure/suspension , etc. Someone had reported Tesla model S replaced 4 motors and 3 battery packs after 300k miles. The Air GT has two motors. It may last longer before the motor has problem.

@bW9taeH4

4 ай бұрын

I have a relatively early Model S. Tesla's drive train quality is excellent. It wasn't quite the case when I got my car. The drive trains themselves were good quality. But the original bearings became noisy and loud. Instead of dropping the drive trains, disassembling them and rebuilding them, Tesla swapped them out and got the customers back on the road faster. By 2016, Tesla had much better ceramic bearings and very reliable drive trains. And people with cars from that era have had their drive trains replaced. Tesla could have avoided this by inconveniencing owners and replacing bearings after longer service visits. Then you'd be saying that some owners had bearing problems early on and I'd tell you that those bearings are no longer used.

4:57 what exactly is the difficulty with getting summer tires?

Thanks for the nice review.... I took delivery of a 23 G.T. in July. I've had NONE of the trim or quality anomalies you experienced. Do I have complaints(?), sure, little things (like key fob has to be within about 1 car-length to work (no biggie). My key fob works flawlessly in it's functions (as long as you're in range of the car). OTA updates over the last two months have improved range estimates a lot. For example when I leave home (Elevation 9,000 ft) and drive to the 31 miles away (elev 5,600ft) , the car predicts I will actually arrive with MORE miles on the clock than when I start that 31 mile trip(!). Sure nuff, it's always right within a mile or two. Conversely, when I make the 31 mile climb back to the house, it says I'll lose about 60 miles of range and again, it's right within a mile or two. They're evidently factoring elevation changes in to the formula. So, things are improving and my later version has probably enjoyed refinement of those trim issues. No steering wheel squeak or lose panels. Keep up the good work!

Not getting hands-free driving is a safety feature. We are still at the point where those apps are prone to fail in circumstances that can kill you or someone else if you aren't actively controlling the car. And most people won't try to stay in control of the car with hands-free switched. on.

I want one of these cars, but they're not sold out of the US. What a shame. Please bring them to Aus.

From what I've gathered, from all the Tesla/Ludic videos and reviews (And I test drove a Lucid) Buy a Lucid if: You want something that stands out from the millions of Teslas out there, want more range, more luxury and similar quality to a Tesla Model S. Buy a Tesla if: You want a much lower price, better charging infrastructure and better performance, comparable model to model.

It's great to hold any manufacturer accountable, but it REALLY needs to be stressed that this is literally a first production vehicle from a brand new company. No one should be buying this car assuming it will be 100% at this time. This was the same for Tesla (who still hasn't fixed many of it's quality control problems), and the same for many premium exotic brands like Rolls Royce. All things considered I think it is fair to say Lucid is on a great trajectory even if their are clearly some rough spots to iron out. This video feels like it has a lot of negative spin and sarcasm without full follow-through of the total lens by which a customer SHOULD look at this vehicle.

Well, I was looking forward to Gravity. 🤦🏻‍♂️ 10:41

@bW9taeH4

6 ай бұрын

You can still look forward to Gravity. My 2023 isn't having those problems and those things get worked out as companies learn. You can expect the Gravity to be better, and you can expect Lucid to fix those sorts of issues easily in existing cars.

Great video. One think to note is that the EPA ratings are not really indicative of normal driving conditions. Their high speed tops out at 55 mph I think and is only a small portion of the test. The EPA test are really more about being able to compare car to car and less about real world range at this point unless they update testing. I think that should have been stated more so people understand not to expect the EPA range.

I’ve owned multiple teslas, and test drove a Lucid recently. COMPLETE GAMECHANGER!!! It’s like driving a BMW 5 series after driving a Toyota Corolla. Best engineered EV out there. Period! As their first car I’d cut them some slack. I see greatness to come!!

Why are there only very few people appreciating the honest work by at least giving it a like?! 70K views and not even 1000 likes!!!

@vickykennel3022

5 ай бұрын

because these guys are clearly biased against am amazing car, their smurkiness is f'in irritating

Range depends if you are plugging in your cellphones and weight of the occupants and ambient temperatures.

I'm having a hard time understanding why you don't put a set of conti sport or mps4s tires on those wheels. Heck take advantage of the situation and put a set of nankangs crs or Bridgestone re71rs tires on it and smoke everything.

@isserdigan2835

6 ай бұрын

They want OEM PS4S

Overall a very nice package.

I want to buy the Lucid as my next car, but being a tech guy, I've learned to hold off on first gen products because the bugs aren't all worked out. While the price and quality aren't hand in hand, this is brand new car company and and compared to ancient behemoths Toyota, MB and others, looks like Lucid has done a good job. They have a decent and promising product IMO. Hopefully Release 2 of the car will work out the kinks.

@bW9taeH4

6 ай бұрын

The advantage of something like a Lucid or a Tesla is that even if the bugs aren't all worked out, the car will improve over time. My Model S is literally one of the first made with Autopilot (ones made the day before or earlier in the day didn't have it) and I've seen it start with its share of bugs, and they went away over time, plus I ended up with lots of features that didn't exist and weren't announced when the car came out. There was a hardware issue with the original drive trains, and the car now has a 2016 drive train, which works great. My Model 3 is from 2017 (VIN 5xx) and I watched the software improve. There were a handful of hardware changes, but Tesla made the changes for me even without anything going wrong or me seeing problems, and a couple of minor things failed under warranty. I did replace the side repeater cameras on my own because the new ones work better with the side view when signalling. Since that feature didn't exist when I bought the car, I couldn't call it a defect, but the bottom line is that I have lots of features with all the early bugs worked out. My Lucid is too new for me to go by experience, but I have gone over the list of things that were fixed before I got mine, and the video covers some of those. No hardware changes were needed, so an early car wouldn't have been a problem. I did wait to buy it even though I could have gotten it early with my early reservation. But I wanted to wait for Dream Drive Pro to be where it is now before I bought it. It's not perfect but it will improve. With any car, the next model year or generation will do more or have more features. These cars are the first ones where I didn't get stuck with what I had or missed out on later features...except that the charge flap on my Model S doesn't close by itself. That was introduced later. It wouldn't have been worth holding off for a year or two on buying a car if I had known that feature would come.

@nexussymbiosis9270

6 ай бұрын

Tech guy LOLOL this television head's and smartphones ears generations are bamboozled by hubs &tags LOLOL.

@bW9taeH4

4 ай бұрын

I held off on the 2022 and waited for the 2023. By then, Lucid had addressed those things that concerned me enough to make me wait. They were fixed by the time I got my car, and it turned out to be all software fixes so I would have been fine with an earlier car. There are still a number of things that I'd like to see improve, but I expect that to happen over time. I can't imagine that Lucid would ignore the list of annoyances that current owners complain about.

Ok cool video, but how it drives?

Hope that lucid drops the price again after seeing this, make the pure version at around $500/month lease and I might be interested

@bW9taeH4

4 ай бұрын

I don't know what you are driving now, but you need to compare the monthly costs to other cars, including gasoline or electricity. Before I got an ev, I was spending $75 a week on gasoline alone.

@Oklm23

4 ай бұрын

​@@bW9taeH4 a 2022 Tesla model 3 performance, but I would be interested in this base lucid model for my wife if they lower the monthly lease price again (which hopefully they will keep doing since they don't really sell them).

I have touring model, phenomenal car great range, efficient, loads of space, handles very well and looks awesome. Ignore these amateurs from Edmunds. Trim issues are minor and Lucid will take care of you very well. These guys are clueless.

It is a soft close. I barely close it and let it pull it in.😊

Love Lucid 🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤15000 mileages and classic car woo!

Edmunds Cars steckt SO tief im hintern von Mr. Mars.. unglaublich 😂

When will ev charger get as common as gas station?

@bW9taeH4

6 ай бұрын

Every EV comes with a built in charger. If by "charger" you mean what it's plugged into, that's called a wall outlet, and it's far more common than gas stations. For most people, that's over 90% of their charging. Never having to go to a gas station is a big saving of time and money. And I can plug in faster than my garage door can close so I literally don't waste a second doing it. Aside from the fact that the Lucid can add 200 miles of range in 12 minutes, if I start a trip with 500+ miles of range, even if I don't get rated range chances are still slim that I'd need to stop for a charge. It's more likely that on road trips, either I'll charge when I'm stopped anyway for lunch, or not even bother and just plug in when I get to the hotel.

I think the early buyers of this car will expect teething pains. However, if lucid wants to be successful they need to expand to normal buyers who won't put up with shoddy build quality. I'd be interested to know what Lucid has done with their newer cars to address the build quality.

@bW9taeH4

4 ай бұрын

You have that backwards. Ordinary buyers don't go around checking door seam tolerances with a micrometer and declare that there are build quality issues. They wouldn't have a clue what people are talking about. Ordinary buyers get a car because they like it better than other cars. I don't know whether or not you'd consider me an early buyer or not, but I had a list of problems with my 2023. I don't remember how many, but it was well above average. I took the car to Lucid, they gave me an Air GT loaner that did everything my car does, and I got my car back. Everything was fixed. Nothing was serious or kept me from using the car. There were a couple of things that you could describe as "build quality." The charge port cover and one of the door handles weren't perfectly aligned. So they fixed those along with everything else on the list. There will always be people who look at these one time items and act as if someone is better off getting a car that they like less day in and day out, but had the car had a single problem (making it far above average for reliability) it still would have needed the same shop visit. In real life, people don't care about your FUD. They don't care about needing a service visit as long as things are taken care of. And if it eliminates 14 service visits for oil changes and brake jobs that they'd have with something else, then having a few minor issues won't even register.

@daveromanyshyn1170

4 ай бұрын

@@bW9taeH4 I think you have a good point and you gave a very thoughtful reply. I don't have the money to be purchasing a Lucid or a car of that range. My thought was that someone buying a Lucid would be cross shopping with a Mercedes S-Class or BMW 7 series and would not tolerate build quality issues. However, if you are looking for a great electric car at that price range Lucid is probably the way to go.

@bW9taeH4

4 ай бұрын

@@daveromanyshyn1170 I have some trim pieces that aren't perfectly aligned, but I wouldn't buy a car that I'd like less on a day to day basis to avoid that. On paper, my car had above average "reliability" issues. But what that really meant was that on my one and only service visit, they fixed a small list of things instead of only one or two, and they weren't ones that affected the use of my car. When I was young, "reliability" was a big issue because nobody wanted a car that broke down frequently or kept stalling out at intersections and had trouble starting back up. These days, people still want to give it the same weight as it got in the 1970s even though it has almost nothing to do with day to day usage but with a few minor one time inconveniences. In my case, it meant keeping the loaner car a bit longer but it was another Air GT. I'm sure that there are people who would prefer those other two cars, and it's fine if they like them better. Most reviewers differ on that, from what I've read, but it doesn't mean that those are bad cars. I think that the biggest advantage they have is name recognition. If you can't afford a Lucid, keep in mind that there are much cheaper EVs with 300+ miles of range. It will be overkill for everyday driving, and on a trip long enough that you'd need a charge, it will overlap a mealtime and restroom break anyway. So you might be able to make trips just as fast.

My Tesla. 2023 model x rated 340 miles but in reality 230 miles . Lucid appears far better

Is Lucid Air Sapphire in every way ("as a whole") better, than the 1020 hp Tesla Model Plaid?. 🤔

cannot believe they won't let us test drive in Washington State

Have heard that EV tend to go through tires much faster then ICE vehicles due to the amount of torque at low speeds. How bad is it really?

@wolfgangpreier9160

6 ай бұрын

I change mine after about 40.000 - 60.000 km. I use only quality summer and winter tires. Hankook, Michelin, Pirelli and only on some of my cars cheaper Vredestein or Falken.

@user-zf1ol7op7y

6 ай бұрын

That was misinformation. Most EV’s built come out of the factory with excessive camber in the suspension. Negative camber allows for better grip and handling but the downside is you’ll go through the inside part of your tires or uneven tire wear much quicker. That is the truth.

@MiguelRPD

6 ай бұрын

But also keep in mind that people are also flooring it more often in ev's

@bW9taeH4

6 ай бұрын

It depends. My 2014 Tesla gave me the best tire life of any car I've owned. Part of it was due to how even the wear is from front to back. You could say that it was my fault with other cars for not rotating tires often enough, and that's partly true. But real world use matters to me more. On the other hand, a 1994 performance Tesla with staggered tires could have eaten through tires in 3000 miles with aggressive driving.

@user-zf1ol7op7y

6 ай бұрын

@@bW9taeH4 Your 1994 Tesla? I don't think so chief.

You really should announce a disclaimer. "we beat the hell out of this car, so some of the issues we encounter you may not", because I'm coming up on 1 year now too, and I have not experienced any of your issues. Right from the get go I got 470 mile range with my 21's and still getting it. I don't need to prove how fast the car is, I know it's fast, so no racing. If you are still using the key fob, then you must be OG drivers. Phone as the key and boom no issues. As for level 3 self drive, you just compared it to other companies that have decades of reputation on their side not to mention super deep pockets. Lucid is still in startup mode, and quite frankly cannot afford for one of its cars hitting a school bus or a person, whereas the other car companies can because of their line up of other cars. Think about it, Lucid has to be really careful. They will get to it. My biggest complaints of the car are the following: 1. The AC system has to relearn what vents are selected at any given time. I have made customer service aware of this situation many times, and this past summer in Texas, I complained a lot! 2. Dashcams not active. Bugs the hell out of me that I had to install a 3rd party dashcam on this car. Customer support assures me it is on the list to update, so as long as I'm protected, I'm good. 3. Stereo system. The speakers on this car are terrible, plane and simple. ZERO bass response period. My Ford Fusion Energi had an excellent system, and many of the songs enjoyed in that car, I just skip over in the Air GT. They are focused solely on the Dolby Atmos system, and while I can listen John Williams sometimes, other times I want to kick it but can't. 4. Steering column blocks camera from seeing you. Poor Design. Sadly this is something that will have to be lived with. Nothing short of a total replacement will fix this issue. 5. HomeLink system. Whomever did the programming on this needs to go back to programming school. I showed the techs exactly what is issue is with my gate, and how to fix it, but I was ignored. Basically, the transmitter sends a signal for too long, so when the gate starts to open, it gets the continued signal from the first transmit, and it stops. 6. No real world though process to actual situations. I recommended that they tie the blinds to the light sensor that activates the lights. This option would lower the shades/blinds when they are no longer needed. I noticed it right out of the gate, but sadly their engineers didn't. We'll see if they make the mod. It should be noted that my Tech told me that LUCID over ordered on its massage chairs, and will be offering them to Air owners as an upgrade from the non-massage chairs. They will also get a special OTA upgrade to their software for the controls. This is a VERY cool thing for the company to do! Especially when you have some companies charging a monthly fee for seat warmers. I keep my GT in Smooth mode constantly, more than enough power when or if I need it, and drive it like it like a luxury sedan should be driven, with a touch of class. Good Luck to you.

Lucid rocks!! You guys just got a bad apple out of the batch. Lucid forever!!!!

When it comes to Lucid, you are not fair at all,

Yeah new car companies will have issues. What really matters is the level of service and accountability from the manufacturer. If they take care of the issues and treat you well as a customer most can live with the problems as most ICE are not immune to having reliability problems.

This what happens when only point out the top electric vehicle manufacturers faults. A lot of these companies don't build any parts in house or have their own electrification infrastructure.

My Touring about to hit 15,000 miles. Been road tripping it between San Diego and Seattle. Everything just works great! “Knock on the wood”

Clint 🥰

These things are enormous. My first car was a 22 ft long gram Marquis. Then I had a Lincoln Continental. And then I've been driving trucks. And even I think those cars just too freaking big for everyday use lol. Let's not talk about the cost...

Big price tag but cheaply built. Great reviews fellas keep it up.

As a Lucid stockholder, thanks for your efforts to share your experience.

At least the complaints are very minor. Easily fixable with the next gens.

They told you not to slam the doors as it messes the self closing mechanism.

@bW9taeH4

4 ай бұрын

It won't mess with anything but you don't need to slam the doors. You can close them normally or close them to the point that they barely make contact. You shouldn't have to slam the doors on any car.

Since day one Edmunds has been out to dog on the Lucid. I don't know if they bought in to the "hate the expensive car" meme or what the motivation is. Whatever the case, all I can say is that my personal ownership experience has been completely different. Like most owners, I ordered the 21" wheels. Edmunds inexplicably ordered the 19s. Other than that our cars are identical. It does seem like Edmunds expected something quite different than what the Lucid was built to be. What that is I can't be sure. If you visit _any_ other Lucid review by _any_ automotive enthusiast media you will find words that more closely match my ownership experience. Lucids are built for driving enthusiasts. I guess that's not Edmunds turf.

Why does it need such huge wheels?

So, it would appear that they're following exactly in Tesla's footsteps with it.

For their first cars it’s pretty impressive but definitely not there yet.

I suspect that to work at Edmunds, one might require a degree in complaining with a minor in whining. The review lacks professionalism that doesn't stem from its evaluation of the car, but rather from the approach taken. Even when identifying positive aspects of the car, they managed to twist them into negatives. Taking this review at face value becomes challenging, especially after reading the reviews of true owners in the comments.

You are deceptively saying the lowest price 24 model starts from 90k. However the price is 69.9k , and with incentives can go to 65k. So either you are biased or not wanting to do the due diligence to even do a single click. Also the lowest priced Air MY24 RWD was never priced higher than in the 70s. So not sure where you got the 90k number.

Great news! These are like $70k used, yikes

You all seem to be so pained by the $140k you paid to give a truly objective review. I have seen and read enough comments by owners to know that your review is biased.

The desperation on this so called reporter to talk down on Lucid is mindboggling to say the least. Doesn't Tesla have a reoccurring issue with car parts falling off after few months for years now, to say, Lucid is not up there is really a travesty. Tesla has still not fixed my friends car ( he is in the queue for 4 months now, glass, shaky parts inside, doors, windows and you name it). Lucid as a startup car manufacturer has done wonders. Perhaps its costly but it gives you the luxury. I test drove it near LA, it is spectacular. Far better than any luxury EV out there.

Let me know when it goes on sale. $40k

The the battery pack size is how they get the range, but not via technology. They just hand fisted more batteries in and made the vehicle heavy as possible. This is something that’s gonna have to be covered by automotive reviewers going in the future. Otherwise, this is going to become a standard practice and cars are going to become so heavy and dangerousbecause of this

IDGAF I still want the Lucid Grand Touring badly. If Michael Castagna ever gets the overdue guillotine at MannKind after a buyout, I’m purchasing this dream car fully loaded with all the bells & whistles. Peter Rawlinson FTW.

Lucid is charging more for range and speed with their trims, they won't have a cheaper version of Air for a while and I'm worried that they won't make it long enough for that Gravity vehicle to make it to market. Maybe VW or some other automaker buy them when it is all said and done.

STAY FOCUSED AND DISCIPLINE KEEP ADDING ON TO YOUR LUCID POSITIONS EVERYONE 💯 🙋‍♂️ 😁😉👍🥳🥳🥳🎉🎉🎉🕺🕺🕺GOONIES NEVER SAY DIE!

What I can see everywhere that Lucid is making similar mistakes as Tesla, but Tesla is given huge slack compared to Lucid.

465 miles!!! 🎉❤ you’re seemingly hypercritical

For over $150K for a car, I rather use it as a down payment for a 2nd home which will appreciate over time, rather than a car, which will depreciate as soon as it leaves PDI and onto the hand of the sucker... I mean owner.

Very biased and negative video. Thumbs down. My Lucid is just awesome. Great car to drive, very fast. Drives like a BMW M5. Build quality is great and much better than Tesla. EPA range is just that. Many other cars have epa ranges that are greater than the real life range. Nonetheless, great range. It’s hard to drive this car slowly to get great range. It just wants to be driven fast. Next time be more objective on your reviews and less sarcastic.

@clintsimone

6 ай бұрын

Yes, thank you for your unbiased reaction as a Lucid owner.

This video feels super weird, not like any of the other Edmunds videos that im used to seeing... No numbers-to-numbers comparisons with other vehicles, trims, or real metrics kther than the range tests, which dont say when theyre tested. Im used to a really high quality when it comes to your videos, and this just doesnt feel there. It felt muted, with very talking points. It felt like there was only 2 things: things I could find on a spec sheet, and complaints. Is it really deserving of it? Its expensive, for sure, but the only good thing you could say was "its got good range (but less than advertised) and its less bad than it used to be"

Is a perfect example of why someone who does not know anything about cars should not at all Have a car channel. Most of what you say is wrong you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about and even an S class Mercedes has more issues than a lucid

I would be very curious to know what the average speed and temperature was for Edmund's range test. Generally when an EV falls short on a range test, it's all highway miles. Drag increases exponentially, so small speed changes can have a large range impact.

@edmundscars

6 ай бұрын

We aim for 60% city and 40% highway in our range tests. You can find more info on our EV range testing here: www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-consumption-epa-vs-edmunds.html

Minor issues, easily fixed and Lucid provides exemplary service!

why would someone spend 100k+ on a car

That`s unfortunate. I was seriously thinking about buying an Air Grand Touring. Lucid has absolute killer purchase offers out. But those issues would drive me insane at this price level. Guess an I7 it is for now.

very helpful video

Fit to finish not good, poor quality materials and old look makes it a no go for me

For the price this is ridiculous. Over the air updates can't fix the A pillar, Velcro roof panel, steering wheel etc. I'd be pissed.

@theborski

6 ай бұрын

No, but a quick mobile service can. Why they haven’t done that is beyond me. It’s an hour job, and they’ll happily come to you.

@bW9taeH4

6 ай бұрын

@@theborski Yes, and I can describe the process from experience. You are sitting on your couch and the phone rings. It's the service person telling you that he's outside and needs you to open the garage door. With the current Lucid app, I can't do that, so it might mean having to walk to the garage, unless I have something like the myQ app. With a Tesla, I could just use the Tesla app. So I'd have the major inconvenience of letting somebody in. Or I could save the trouble and park in the driveway.

@vickykennel3022

5 ай бұрын

minor issues, easily fixed, great service

I had made a deposit on the cheapest model Lucid. At 125k miles in a Prius Prime, (at an average of 68 mpg) we have decided a new Prius Prime for 4 more years will sort out the bugs of most EVs. We would rather have a marvelously reliable, comfortable, reliable car get us around EVERYWHERE, than suffer through a few years of “You shouldn’t try that in this car. It might not make it…”. Those adventures are for our British sports cars on a weekend. Classic cars earned the nick name “Towstrap”. New cars should never aspire to that honor! We cancelled our order.

@theborski

6 ай бұрын

That’s unfortunate. Edmunds is not an unbiased source of information about the Air. I’ve driven one since January 2021, and put twice as many miles on it. Best car I’ve ever driven, and I’ve had far fewer issues than they did, not to mention theirs are a quick remedy via mobile service. You’d be very happy with a Pure. :)

@danielwoodard680

6 ай бұрын

@@theborski thanks for the feedback…balance helps with objectivity

@edmundscars

6 ай бұрын

@@theborski We're just describing our own experience, can't speak to yours or anyone else's! Glad to hear you've had fewer issues than we have.

@theborski

6 ай бұрын

@@edmundscars I respect that, but it does wreak a bit of bias; the steering wheel is a great example of something there has been multiple revisions for. Get it swapped, no more creak. Trivial mobile service. Not sure why that hasn’t been done.

@AnimationDarkMaster

6 ай бұрын

They're finding points to complain about, literally fishing for them for content. But a simple phone call and all of those would've been fixed.

The interior fit is worse than something you see in a base Hyundai or kia. I would be livid if I paid 140k for this car. Creaking steering wheel and fall headliner is not acceptable in a 20k car.

@flybriur

6 ай бұрын

Same issue with Teslas as well for quite a bit. Totally agree it isn't acceptable. Customers really are beta testers with these initial Lucid Airs. I'm not sure if the strategy would work, but if they made that a bit clearer, and maybe provided some kind of stock option along with the purchase of these vehicles initially (not sure if that's feasible), maybe dealing with all the issues would be more acceptable.

@Ignacio.Romero

6 ай бұрын

@@flybriur The thing is 90% of Teslas sold are either Model 3s or Ys, which are like 40-50k. The Lucid Air is well over 100k

@flybriur

6 ай бұрын

@@Ignacio.Romero As the price of something increases, the expectations increase, which is totally understandable. I mentioned Tesla for two reasons - one, even at the price point your mentioning, relative to other cars in that price point the build quality of Teslas were subpar for quite awhile. Second, the Model X and Model S , including the Plaid editions of those, also suffered from build quality issues, with many of those configurations above $100k.

@bW9taeH4

6 ай бұрын

@@flybriur True, but when I had these sorts of things happen with Tesla, they fixed it, with little inconvenience to me. And they've been fine since the warranties ran out. With Lucid, I've had tiny things go wrong so far, and I expect Lucid to take care of them in a single service call. I've also had problems with other brands of cars with no hope of the problems ever getting fixed. That was especially true of software issues, where the companies appreciated my feedback and supposedly kept it in mind for future model years.

@bW9taeH4

6 ай бұрын

@@flybriur Yes and no. They probably came off the assembly line as good as cars from other companies in most cases. Other companies would have sent more cars to rework for a lot of these problems to get them taken care of before delivery. Tesla had lots of pressure to get cars out by EOQ. So I had some minor things that Tesla had to fix after the fact. The objective difference was when things got fixed, and the subjective difference is that Tesla appeared to be worse. There were also things where Tesla revised the designs of certain parts, and they replaced things with upgraded versions under warranty. It's too early to tell where things will be with Lucid. So far, the minor things that will need to be fixed are more likely the fault of parts suppliers. I have a faulty tire pressure sensor and I'm sure that Lucid didn't design it. I have a rear window switch that's a problem. Aside from rarely having rear passengers, people rarely opening windows with a good climate control system, and the ability to open or close from the driver's door, I can live with it until I can get to Lucid and have a few little things fixed at once. If the window switch turns out to be a problem for others rather than a rare exception, I'm sure they will redesign it.

i would be pretty disappointed with those fit/finish issues in a 120k vehicle

All that upfront cost at what justifcation? Electric? Luxury? Both? I rather get a super fuel efficient hybrid and not compete with other EV owners, and price gouging Chargepoint and EVgo.

Don’t you love inexpensive EVs ? Imagine how much you will save on gas. 😂

@bW9taeH4

6 ай бұрын

With the Model S, I got it when gasoline was cheaper than it is now. I used to pay $75/week for gasoline. That was in 1994. I still have the car. Had the prices been constant, I would have spent over $32,000 on gasoline by now. Instead, I got a car with free supercharging. But I still charge at home most of the time because depreciation alone from driving to and from Superchargers would have been higher than paying for electricity. Instead, I got solar. Had I not gotten solar, my electric bills over the time since then would have been as much as I paid to get solar installed, and that was for household usage. Now, I've passed the break even point and have essentially free electricity for the next couple of decades. When I factor in the incentives at the time I got the car, which were over $10k, it made it a better deal than buying a car in the mid $40k range. Without the tax credit, I probably wouldn't have gone to the showroom to look at it, but with everything, it was a good deal. If you look at the price for the Lucid Air Pure, the cost of gasoline, and what it would cost to keep it for a decade, it might be substantially cheaper than an ICEV that's half the price.

@johnlee5307

6 ай бұрын

@@bW9taeH4 It doesn't surprise me that most people can't do the simple math. it's not just the cost of gas, the cost of maintenance on a Luxury ICE over the course of 8 years of ownership is thousands of dollars, with the crazy labor rates at dealer service centers and part costs. I have a 9 year old porsche which has to be the worst of them all, and that's for a car that has been mechanically perfect. Brakes, fluids, plugs, shocks, and bushings plus cost of labor for maintenance has been over $20K. I still love it to death but it will be the only ICE car I will keep. Lucid has it figured out. They just need to make a more compelling product for the masses, i.e. SUV and bring the cost down with manufacturing scale. The drivetrain is all interchangeable and dead reliable from what I've experienced. With the long term commitment from Saudi MBS venture capital funding they should have the most patient and resourceful corporate angel investor in the world as money literally bubbles up from the ground for them. Few billion is a rounding error for them.

@ivanronin8209

4 ай бұрын

I pay 80$ here in Ontario Canada for a full tank on my Acura RDX weekly and cant even get 400 Km . Not miles ! ! Its Extensive ! . My Friend with F- 150 Pays 120 $ a week ! EV is the way to go ! 🥲🥲

how much did Lucid pay you? You should disclose it.

@ALMX5DP

6 ай бұрын

If they said nothing, would you even believe it?

@edmundscars

6 ай бұрын

As stated, we purchased this car with $140,000 of our own money.

Lets go back how Tesla started…😂😂😊😊

Autopilot is one of the keys to Tesla’s success. I’ll never buy another EV without autonomous features. If you’ve never lived with it you just don’t know how useful it is when you just need someone to hold the wheel for a minute, to pick something up, deal with the kids in the back, send a text (where legal), on long monotonous stretches, eat a burger, and especially in 2mph bumper to bumper jams or any kind of line up… it is a god send!

The video editing us very bad

Except for the remote issues … Jesus christ pick on stuff much!

that's why traditional car makers do much better than this kind of new company. data is all matter. new company doesn't have much of it and experience. it is included Tesla as well. in terms of control, Tesla or similar company do bad. interface is not really thoughtful for human interface. that's why I don't buy new company EV at all. time goes by this kind of problem get much worst.

$20,000 car problems in a $100,000 car. 😂😂😂😂😂

Thank you for the video...I smell a rat