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@gorgonismztruth1551

Жыл бұрын

thats dirty that apple is ripping koi the 14" buyer like that sad..

@TBLA-by2nf

Жыл бұрын

Max Tech - Have you had the chance to review the Galaxy Book 3 Pro 360 and if so what do you think of the speakers on that compared to a new mac book pro?

@caldorius

Жыл бұрын

@@JeanLucConnery no, because both in the test above have faster ssd (1TB), so it’s not limiting any of the machines. I wonder how does 30 cores 14” work compared to 38 in the same tests. I wonder if it is the sweet spot between power and price again..

@jamesstarr7912

Жыл бұрын

Why aren't we using the same charging solution on both if were doing identical tests? They both need to be on usb c or both on magsafe for it to be accurate.

@romanmihalik3002

Жыл бұрын

What are the parameters of the USB charger you have used for 14"?

Honestly the 14" being more portable is handy for a lot of things. While I agree the 16" screen is fantastic, I think the 14" would still suit 95% of what I would want to do

@ZhinoBeamen

Жыл бұрын

I think is more like save up 200 dlls and maybe upgrade de RAM or the SSD if you are going for the 14 “

@Kailan910

Жыл бұрын

totally agree, i'd prefer a 14 size wise.

Finally it’s posted! This is the one I’ve been waiting for. Thank you

@spcysos

Жыл бұрын

Did you think the 14” was not going to throttle as much? I mean for the $200, this is the obvious choice for power and screen real estate. I love the portability of the 14” but other than that your comment makes me wonder why you were waiting for this video? We’ve all basically known what was going to happen if you’ve watched the other videos about the M2 chips.

I'd be interested in seeing a performance comparison between the 16" M1 Max and the 14" M2 Max

Could You compare 30 and 38 cores? I wonder if it’s sweet spot of 14” again.

@milanstojanov

Жыл бұрын

This!

@TheeeBruiser

Жыл бұрын

Still nothing

Great testing as always. I don't agree with the outcome though...the 14" M2 Max is still the faster than the 14" M2 Pro for the development due to the memory bandwidth and if you want a 14" form factor and do some gaming, the 14" M2 Max is still going to do better than the 14" M2 Pro

It would be interesting to see a comparison between the high end 14" with the low or mid range as well. That way we know how much faster the Max really is. Some of us could skip the CPU upgrade and save ourselves some cash while still claiming portability.

@kugick

Жыл бұрын

Exactly looking forward for this. I would also probably be more comfortable with the thermals of the M2 Pro, so I'm quite interested!

@nivekverse

Жыл бұрын

Am also looking forward to this. Currently holding back on making a purchase.

@sherylkingstone

Жыл бұрын

I really want a test of 14” pro vs 14” max with same stats. 32gig ram

@4th_Lensman_of_the_apocalypse

Жыл бұрын

If your a creative working with images or video then I think the most advantage is gained from the GPU cores. From everything I’ve seen in the real world. Thats wih 32gb ram of course.

Wonder if the store bought 14” max with 30 core instead of 38 core has the same throttling issue? Maybe apple configured it that way as the sweet spot for that size notebook?

Thanks for doing this video! Can’t wait to finish it!

I was a bit confused here… was High Power Mode turned on for all the 16" tests? Also, did you guys let the computers cool down between tests? I see the stress test started around 12:11 PM, and the Blender BMW test was performed at 12:35 PM. Considering they were tied in the second Blender test, I was wondering if the 14" was still too warm when you ran the first one.

Would love to see a H2H test of the 14" vs the 16" in clamshell mode, driving multiple 4K/5K monitors.

GREAT video, thanks. I am SUPER curious though about the Max M2 30 Core version in the 14".

It could be interesting to see what happens if the fan profile is manually modified to be way more aggressive (as you can do with the Mac Fans Control software). I wouldn't be surprised that the type of people that would be running the tasks where these machines throttle, specially the 14", wouldn't mind having the fan noise kicking in harder and sooner. Perhaps maintaining that max speed continuously since the beginning could help out reduce that aggressive throttling, especially in the 14".

@theyehsohz

Жыл бұрын

That's what I said when I got my 15" 3900 desktop cpu laptop, until I can hear it in screaming in the next room over and that's just 3000 rpm but 6300 rpm sounds more like a server

@Acerdmen

Жыл бұрын

@@theyehsohz Fair enough! I was talking from experience using my M1Pro 14", as even when its fans are maxed out, they sound almost as much as my old windows machine being idle.

@theyehsohz

Жыл бұрын

@@Acerdmen dear lord, that sounds awful

@Acerdmen

Жыл бұрын

@@theyehsohz I meant that they are very quiet in the Mac! They sound less when they are maxed out than any high performance windows machine I've used with their fans at min speed. @lukemiani just made a comparison between a maxed out M2 Max 16" and the incredible MSI Rider with the 4090, and he included a brief sound comparison of them when their fans are maxed out. Huge difference in noise levels.

Always loved you guys comparison videos. Really some of the best on the internet by far and really goes in depth❤

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Жыл бұрын

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Great content. Looking forward to seeing mac mini m2 comparasion with different specs. Thank you very much for your insigthful videos

Now we really need to see a base model M2 Max chip 14in vs the 38core varient!

that's interesting, thanks guys, wish you guys hit your goal this year

Thank you for all in info you provide

Nice video. Answer lot of questions that I have. Good work!

Always enjoy your reviews and breakdowns!

It feels like the 14" needs a high power mode to ramp up the fans faster

I would love to see a test of the 16" MacBook Pro M2 Max in closed-clamshell mode. Does it make a difference in heat and thermal throttling

another informative and super detailed video as always

Note: ALL of the temp issues are completely resolved with a simple custom fan curve as apples stock one is extremely lazy. The only real difference at that point is clock speed which will have you see basically a 5% or less difference between the 2. Enough to where most people won’t care. That said the 16” is still much more comfortable with temps on the keyboard in use, still has the better battery by a LOT this year, speakers etc but most people out there still love the 14” through and through because it’s the perfect size for everyday use and the 16” still feels unwieldy. Another thing to note here is that both of these completely destroy the M1 Max 32-core gpu models (even the binned 30-core beats it by a margin) so it’s all gains this year regardless. Just be sure to get TG pro and set better more active fan curves up and your golden. (Anything below 60% fan speed is almost not audible).

@frostgodx

Жыл бұрын

@@Arjuna1901 No, if that’s your primary use case you’ll see next to no difference at all.

@akthem84

Жыл бұрын

I hope you share with us the video link of the TG pro performance boosts when it is ready

@sanaullah949

Жыл бұрын

How should we change the fan speed?

@domantasbronusas

9 ай бұрын

Thanks will try that when receive it. I needed max model for encoders and light gaming when on train or smth (but still need 14 inch i dont care about 16 inch one)

This is the video I was waiting for!! I just ended up getting the 16” M2 Max MacBook with 64GB of RAM and 4TB of storage. The great thing is that this video validated my reasoning for getting the 16” over the 14”. I’m super excited to get the computer as I’m upgrading from a 2009 MacBook Pro 13”. 💻 Thanks to MaxTech, for all the help. ❤

@JonathanJK

Жыл бұрын

Damn, that's a sweet upgrade.

@NinjaKiller1022

Жыл бұрын

@@JonathanJK I know, and my excitement can’t be contained. I was super excited just seeing other people getting their, as well as those that have the M1 versions. It’s going to up my productivity by a long shot.

@BhanuPratap-tt6qj

Жыл бұрын

Hey friend can you please tell me that how long you got security patch update on your old MacBook pro 13 2009, because I also thinking to purchasing a MacBook but haven't owned yet.

@JonathanJK

Жыл бұрын

@@NinjaKiller1022 I had a 2012 rMBP die on me and went with a 2017 iMac and then bought the M1 Air. That machine was already crazy faster than the iMac, but I upgraded to the M1 Pro for the extra ports and screen. I love this machine and can't imagine the speed boost you're going to get!

@NinjaKiller1022

Жыл бұрын

@@JonathanJK I was really tempted to get the M1 Max Pro, but decided to hold out just a little longer. I still think the M1 variants are extremely capable. I will definitely update you when I get mine next week.

Thanks for the video

Is it possible that the two different power delivery methods could cause heat issues?

Thanks for your videos guys!

Thanks for this Amazing Opportunity Sir, Really needed one

Great video, very informative! Good job

I really appreciate all the effort you guys put into these vids. Thanks so much

Another highly detailed, information-rich video. You guys are really putting in the hours! Don't know about calming down - it does speak of authenticity! I personally think the 16" is worth a lot more than $200 over the 14" (though both are very expensive). If your main computer is a laptop, 16" is the way to go.

It really was helpful! Thank you alot for the video!

Thank you for the in-depth comparison!

Good work. Want to see you guys test out if there is performance difference between 14" and 16" in M2 Pro

your are the best🔥 thank you max tech

Wow. thanks for sharing this video🎉

Is it the you have the 14" on USB-C for power and the 16" on Magsafe for power? Could that make any difference, especially because the 14" had a hard time to pull power?

nice, the 14 inch is being charged via type c and the 16 inch is MagSafe.. idk if that causes a different in benchmarks

I knew that 14 inch is throttling like crazy, but I ordered M1 Pro for work anyway, because I don’t use GPU much. Yesterday I spend a whole day compiling things, but a fan barely spins anyway.

@rvarm21

Жыл бұрын

If you dont use the GPU so much just take the Pro because the CPU performance is the same and just save the money or invest it in more RAM or storage

@ellandill

Жыл бұрын

@@rvarm21 you have to order max if you want > 32GB ram

@spetz911

Жыл бұрын

Sorry, I’ve actually got a base M1 Pro. I think single core performance and memory are still main limitations.

@rvarm21

Жыл бұрын

@@spetz911 maybe you should have upgraded to 10-core M1 Pro but i dont think the performance would be much different compared to the 8-core

@rvarm21

Жыл бұрын

@@ellandill yep thats true

I saw this same sort of results last year. It's the high power mode in the 16 inch that that makes the difference, high power mode isn't available for the 14 inch. At first I thought it was about the fan noise but I was wrong. I saw the same sort of results when I bought the 14 inch M1 Max last year and sent it back to get a 16. The High Power mode option is more than just an aggressive fan curve, it allows the Max chip to get almost 10 more watts of power. That is why the 16 inch comes with a 140 watt power brick vs 96 watt for the 14 inch, this is also relative to the battery capacity as well. So if pure performance is what you are looking for the 16 inch is the very beat options. So the extra cost is more than just screen size its also higher power and better thermals.

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Жыл бұрын

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@Max Tech is there a noticeable difference in read / write speeds in comparing 1Tb with 2 Tb SSD or just 4Tb? Which conf. gives the fastest results? is it enough to go with the 1Tb Version? How many nand chips are used in each configuration?

thanks for sharing this video. amazing as always 🎉

Thank you for the detailed comparison . My work computer is a 14" ThinkPad, and I find that it's too small for me. I can understand the appeal for people that travel frequently, but I think the 16" is a better value. The performance differences alone make it worth going for the larger one in my opinion. Then when you consider the larger screen, better speakers and longer battery life, it is easily worth $200 more.

Thanks very much for this very informative video! It really helped me make a decision.

Having more potential sustained performance is helpful towards being more futureproof, too.

would there be any difference in throttling when comparing the 14 inch 38 core vs 30 core base M2 Max?

Great comparison and many useful informations. Thanks guys

you guys make great content! thank you!

Thank you guys for the info, the 16 inch is my planned upgrade in the future.

Such a good video!! Thanks

I would configure my 14 inch to M2 Mac BUT only 30 gpu cores instead of 38. 32gb ram and 1tb ssd, and to upgrade from the 67w charger to the 96w charger

I have the mid tier 14 in and choose it over the 16 in base model due to portability, having a 16 in is like having an additional responsibility everywhere you go, the 14in is like a cool buddy that helps you at work, life, and get the girl.

@quazimoto5241

Жыл бұрын

🤣

@familiarjoe7290

Жыл бұрын

100% agreed, the portability makes it a true mobile laptop. Crazy difference from my 2016 16” despite that one being way thinner.

@aclaylambisabirdman6324

Жыл бұрын

@@familiarjoe7290 totally!

@Epicgamer_Mac

Жыл бұрын

Yea just play "I like you" by Post Malone and pretend ur showing off the amazing speakers to her 😂😂

Been waiting for this one, thanks! 🙏 👏

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Жыл бұрын

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Great info. The more you know~

This is exactly as I’ve suspected. Thanks for the testing to confirm my suspicions.

Thank you for this video. Very nice...

thx for the info :)

Good job, Thanks

very detailed comparision video as always..

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Just as expected. Thanks for confirmation.

I couldn’t wait in the end for this video and bought the 16” this weekend 😂 Happy with my choice but thanks for putting this video out, helps me sleep easier tonight with my choice 😁

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Жыл бұрын

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Great Video, Request…. Can you perform the same type tests and stress tests and “Compare” the Results for especially the 14” 2021 M1 Max, but also the 16” 2021 Max and show us the difference. This could help many Consumers make an informed decision, albeit purchase 2021 M1 Max, 2023 M2 Max or wait for M3 Max upgrade.

@vgnruz

Жыл бұрын

Understood, but first whose going to look 2yrs back through their channel with all the content they put out, plus they advise and help their subscribers and consumers decide on whether to hold off for the M3 or purchase the discounted M1, so it addresses everyone whom are interested that their advising, and yes, more views and subscribers for their channel as well 👍 win/win

@vgnruz

Жыл бұрын

@spacecadet, the intent was merely requesting and/or suggesting on behalf of those interested, for a data set comparison, if the guys want to edit some slides showing the Comparison Data Sets for one of their Purchase Recommendations future videos, that would be Appreciated, if not no worries and then just food for thought going forward. It was simply a “request”, nothing more. Thank you for your valuable time to point out constructive criticism. Have a Blessed Day🙏

I suspect that most people won’t be able to detect a difference in performance between the two. Still, these benchmarks might suggest that the sweet spot for MacBook Pro 14” Max chip has 30 cores, rather than 38. That saves another £200 GBP, or I guess $200 USD.

This video is so useful 💛💛

Thank for the review...

I love your test video. keep going!

Very useful information

FWIW 14" M2 Max gets the same Xcode Benchmark score as the 16" (72s) compared to the 80s of the 12 core M2 Pro. I wish you'd continue to include the benchmark in your videos

Is there any chance you guys would do it for the 30 core variants? It would be nice to know if that’s within the 14” thermal limits so they’re equal.

@InformaticFields

Жыл бұрын

Agree!!!!!

@Epicgamer_Mac

Жыл бұрын

agreed

@Epicgamer_Mac

Жыл бұрын

@nabil libre Shouldn't be, especially in the 14" chassis, the 30-core may not have quite as much raw grunt but it also doesn't throttle

@Freshbott2

Жыл бұрын

@nabillibre922 dunno, after I posted this I bought the 32c M2 Max 14” and think there’s no harm in getting the 38 if you can pay for it. I thought it would roast. Instead, the fan barely comes on. In Metro LL Redux on medium (there’s no visual difference after medium) it’s generally around 120fps and the fans take like 5 mins to come on and they sit at their minimum speed. Observation through parallels is around 90+ fps and the fans sit at about 50%. Go the better one if you want to.

thanks for sharing this video. nice

You guys makes it much easier to decide which new new to buy.

Can you use thermal pads on the 14 inch Macbook? It looks like pads need to be placed on the CPU/GPU heatsinks. Right?

I'd go for the 16" for that screen and really being a real desktop computer replacement.

so cool man, im glad you make these videos!

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This is why I love your channel. Spectacular reviews

What’s better? 30GPU or 38GPU on a MacBook M2 Max? Is it worth going for the extra 8?

How come the 14" is plugged in via magsafe, and the 16" is using type-c/ thunderbolt(?) port? I wonder if that makes a difference. I don't know the wattage limitations on either.

Typing this on my 14" M2 max 30 core GPU (32gb ram, 1TB SSD). I haven't had any issues or noticed performance drops. I can have Xcode running simulator, VScode, and safari with KZread no issues. Will probably be getting the M3 14 inch next year and further proof it too. 64GB ram and 4TB SSD maybe? ;)

Awesome testing sir! Your enthusiasm is engaging and very informative. Also I love your tear down videos. Keep up the good work. And send me any throw stays. Lol I would love to see Apple build a 21 inch laptop or a tablet. It would be huge. But an incredible machine.

How well will the 14inch do with the MagSafe charger?

Interested in seeing a 16" M1 Max 32 core vs. 16 M2 Max 30 core comparison.

@milanstojanov

Жыл бұрын

This please, 14”! 🙏

@Epicgamer_Mac

Жыл бұрын

Yes! I've been waiting for that since they came out.

Seeing these computers in real life is wild! The 16" seems soo much larger, and the 14" seems tiny when seen side by side. I am curious about performance for my real-world workflow.

Really appreciate your honest review, it's really help buyer a lot

This is what I was waiting to see. Now how about 14 Pro vs 14 Max?

thanks for sharing this video🎉

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Жыл бұрын

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I noticed that the laptops were charging while benchmarks ran; does that cause much more heat so the CPU or GPU throttle sooner vs full battery plugged in?

I feel like them not using the same power source might have something to do with it. If the 14 isn't on magsafe and is on usb the test showing it having a different wattage might actually be due to the fact it's being charged over usb c and not the same as the 16.

@z3thon

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing honestly.

@helioguerra9193

Жыл бұрын

Me too

can you run them both on low power mode or both without power adapters.... I would be curious to see what the temps do on low power mode off the plug...

the different power source and input location on the 14” would not influence the results?

I have a random video request. I would love to see a comparison of power usage of the new M2 Macs over a day of normal use vs a comparable PC. How much power do they draw while asleep or shut down and plugged in? I think this should be factored in to a “cost of ownership” calculation especially since electricity prices have gone up in recent years. Of course the Macs will come out on top, but by how much? Over the ~5 year life of the computer, how much money do you save on electricity going with the Mac vs the PC? What happens if you adjust for light use vs moderate use vs heavy use? I think you could easily get a few videos out of this topic.

For USA people Fahrenheit would make them realize that 100 Celsius is 212 degrees Fahrenheit that is boiling of water. 42C is 105F I believe.

@mr.bond2023

Жыл бұрын

Good breakdown

@scottscottsdale7868

Жыл бұрын

That shows how well engineered the hardware is.

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@shrugalic

Жыл бұрын

@@theoneonly5368 You might want to look that up. India seems to have almost twice as many YT users in general… the Max Tech audience might differ, ofc.

Why NOT use MAG-Safe power cable on both machines?

Would be interesting to test those M2 Pro and M2 Max chips in low power mode. If M2 Max LP mode turns out to have better graphics performance while having the same TDP as M2 Pro in normal mode, that'll be quite great.

So, after seeing big differences between best cpu (M2 Max) on 14' and 16' MBP, I'm guessing as a safe bet only the base cpu M2 Pro will perform the same on both 14" and 16". As with the Pro CPU the "high performance" setting isn't available...

What are the temperatures of M1 or M2 Macbook pro while rendering in Premiere Pro f.e? Just asking because being a long time windows laptop user I'm quite suprised that nearly all of reviewers treat thermals at about 90/100 celsius as something normal 'cause it's a Macbook. It may have long term consequences in longevity of some components. Yes, windows laptops are very loud from about 75/80 degrees C, but maybe there's a reason? My Asus laptop peaks at 92 at Premiere Pro video rendering of 45min clip and I'm worried, but I'm also considering buying a M1 or M2 Macbook, are temperatures at about 100degrees safe? What is your opinion?

I know apple is by some standards law forced to throttle when chassis is 50°C. That is why the 14" would be so extremely throttled. Maybe of the test is redone from startup directly into cinebench. But when the chassis is hot 🔥 the macbook pro needs to manage that. - so if you would push the ambient temperature of the 16" (ie after a big test) and then match them up this can be quite more balanced. - but ... like Max said, realistically it is not going to happen often irl

Great review! Can you make one comparing the 16in M1 MAX in Full Power Mode vs 16 in M2 MAX in Low Power Mode and see, if it matches the performance?