This is huge! Everyone always scares you "don't overwork the dough", "be gentle", "NO MORE THAN 10MIN!!!". Damm.. This will make people much more relaxed and not afraid to bake.

@sagichdirdochnicht4653

4 жыл бұрын

It is something to be concerened when working with a machine. But if you don't walk away from it or shit like that, for weat the possibilties of overkneading aren't very high. For Hand kneading defenetly not. With Autolyse kneading time will sink, but still no real danger of overkneding. However: Be carefull with Spelt and other older Grains. They don't have the same Gluten structure ( Gluten consists of Glutenin and Giladin; Wheat has a lot Glutenin, while Spelt and others have way more Giladin). Kneading them is way faster and they are overkneaded very easily. Again, the danger of doing so isn't high with hand kneading, but after 1 hour and 40 Minutes, I promise you, that bread would be SHIT.

@JanilGarciaJr

4 жыл бұрын

@@sagichdirdochnicht4653 Whole grain wheat is also easy to overknead. I have my share of experiences. It seems to be related with the bran, from what I read. They cut through the gluten mesh. If you do it enough times the gluten can't recover from the tearing. But I didn't go too deep on the topic, and also, always suspect what you read in the internet, but it seems enough logical to me.

@sagichdirdochnicht4653

4 жыл бұрын

@@JanilGarciaJr To be honest, I don't haven't experienced overkneading with whole Grains. But that may be because I only work with fresh Milled flour, from a machine for home Use. Those flours (that technically aren't flours), so they pretty much need a whole lot of time just to get hydrated enough, that the gluten will even start to form. But for store bought whole grain this would be kinda logical: ALL of the gluten is in the Endosperm. White Flours have way more of it in it, because the other parts are filtered. With whole grain you have ultimatively less Gluten - wich means overkneading a dough can be theoretically easier.

@rushbcykablyat1792

4 жыл бұрын

Where did you find all these scares from everyone about not overworking the dough? Are they and the recipes perhaps referring to stand mixers and machine-made breads instead? Because I myself have never in my life come across anyone or any source telling me that I can ever overknead dough by hand, under normal circumstances and bread types. Most sources I come across simply states it's nearly impossible to overknead by hands alone.

@sagichdirdochnicht4653

4 жыл бұрын

@@rushbcykablyat1792 Don't know internationally, but here in germany most of the kneading times are meant for machines. And the possibility of overkneading is defenetly there No matter if with beefy dough mixers or trashy chinese Kitchen Aid Clones. Still, overkneading a dough by hand is not impossible, if you really want it to happen. Other then that... Takes a whole lot of time and normally you'd simply stop when the dough feels ready. Never heard about anyone overkneading by and as well. Even with very "fragile" Grains and / or Flour Types. But happens regulary with machines, if not enough attention is put in.

That was actually really reassuring. Thank you for spending an hour and a half to make many of us less nervous. I think many people kneaded to know this, I certainly did

@jasonosmondfernandes8525

4 жыл бұрын

I like the pun at the end.

Oh God why?! Haha, Even I feel the strain on my arms just by watching this. Gotta give the man a star for proving a point with sheer frickin' will and determination.

@Bakewithjack

4 жыл бұрын

💪🏻🔥

@jbas7525

3 жыл бұрын

workout for the day done

@Help22222

2 жыл бұрын

Lol I kneaded for half of the day the other day coz my dough is very sticky and I know nothing about just dough in general, needless to say my arms were very sore 😂. But I did improve though, I made a soft loaf bread yesterday and a pizza today!

Welcome to Excercise With Jack

@TheChefLady4JC

4 жыл бұрын

Bwahahahahaha!!😜🤪

@simplysourdough5444

4 жыл бұрын

LOL!

@matrixmirage2148

4 жыл бұрын

_,,Sh%%! I told you he was crazy! Man, you _*_jacked up!_* _Man, what's this? Sh&& looks ridiculous. No respect for the 'hood, all clean and sh%%."_

"And on that day, the Grinch's biceps grew 3x the size!"

I bet that was hard, but it really is one of my favorite videos so far, because it proves a concept. Over working dough will not be a concern for us home bakers any more. Thank you for going through this for us. Great education.

@oz_jones

4 жыл бұрын

In other words.... dough-nt worry about it.

@pamjohnson4230

3 жыл бұрын

@@oz_jones womp woommp

Not all heroes wear capes... some wear aprons! Seriously though thanks for the dedication and proving this for us! You've taught me so much about making bread!

The winning documentary: "Life of an Educator" I really appreciate your hard work and the hassle you've been through for recording this video.

U went all in with that dough mate, 90 mins by hand. BY HAND 😲!!! . Phew😰. Your dedication is immense which I think is absolutely admirable. Thanks to you I have been making some great bread at home and also thanks to you, I have one less thing to wory about😉. Definitely one of the best videos on your channel. The way you make your videos is just so awesome, and the music to set the mood. Perfect perfect perfect!! Much love from India 🇮🇳 Mumbai (Bombay) city. Roll it 🎬📽️😎

This is documentation of a man’s descent into madness hahaha

@Bakewithjack

4 жыл бұрын

😄😄

Kneaded my dough for 30 min and was worried. Last time I didn't knead it long enough and it had poor texture once it was baked, so I maybe overcompensated a bit this time. Good to know I probably didn't ruin it:)

@rich1051414

4 жыл бұрын

How did it turn out?

@katherinetutschek4757

4 жыл бұрын

@@rich1051414 The flavour was good, but it was too dense. I tried a third time and kneaded for 8 min, it was perfect!

@laundryhaurndy4705

4 жыл бұрын

@@katherinetutschek4757 Thank you :)

That accent. That looks. That determination. That humor. That strength. SUCH A GIFT. ❤️

Wow Jack, that is some dedication. Eesh. Your elbows and shoulders are going to need some rest to avoid repetitive stress injuries...

I'm laughing my butt off! Your point is made, very clearly. And you don't have to go to the gym this week 🤣.

@Bakewithjack

4 жыл бұрын

😆

You had me actually laughing out loud with that one, Jack. That was a hoot! I will never worry about over-kneading again.

@alimahdi6379

4 жыл бұрын

I know right? I was cracking up. But great effort and mighty educational. Thanks Jack.

Me: but, can you over-knead a sourdough, huh!?! Jack: *blocked*

@bobsnooker.3950

4 жыл бұрын

Dough is Dough Sour or otherwise.

@guynakash

4 жыл бұрын

@@bobsnooker.3950 I know, it was a joke.

@balls3198

4 жыл бұрын

Guy Nakash was that apart of the joke or

Holy cow, i felt like i was right there with you. I've kneaded dough for pasta until i felt like i was overhydrating it with my sweat (at home) and seeing you work your hands raw for an hour and a half brought me back to it. A for effort. Can't not like that to show appreciation.

Thanks for answering my question Jack! You really put the effort in ! Not something I am going to worry about again! You're a star! Amazing!

My hero! Paul hollywood wrote "its imposible to over kneed by hand" however i felt i could never truely trust that shady scouse, and paranoia would marr my kneeding, but now thanks to your great sacrifice i can breathe a sigh of relief and kneed happy

@Bakewithjack

4 жыл бұрын

“Shady scouse” 🤣 so happy it helped!

@Errol.C-nz

Жыл бұрын

@@Bakewithjack the flip side to the question then .. is .. can you under knead the dough .. Paul Holiwood discovered to his amaaaaazment.. you DONT need to knead dough AT ALL .. HE .. proved it in doing a bakery visit around Europe to bakers famous for such breads

Now THAT was some EPIC stretches!! LOL Add this one to the annals of MYTHBUSTERS of Bread Making!!

I’ve watched a few of your videos now, but you earned my subscription with this one. The proof is in the dough, and now I never need to worry about over kneading again. I’ll probably show this to anyone I know who baked bread. Thank you!

I love how the music sped up as the time sped up. Who knew "Bake with Jack" provided comic relief? 😆

@Bakewithjack

4 жыл бұрын

😜

I read an article done with an engineer who studied food production engineering and graduated with a final work called something like @the relevance of the number of turns and their speed in a dough machines. That was in 1975 i think, hes a pensioner now and the interwiew was published in a local paper. He was later the head of production of machines and was constructing larg baking setups like the 5km (if you put all the machines and furnaces in line)line they bult in russia in Moscow. So i consider that man an authority. I cant remember the exact number he told in that interwiew but it was a big one. definetely not the one that one can achieve by hand or even with a kitchen apliance. He concluded to put it simply, that more is more as far as the regular home or professional chef is concerned. In large bakeries, there is a limit where you can over do it with their machinery.. This particular end result in the video would in my experience make good bread. tried it myself with all the possible combos by using a dough program on my bread maker. like....I Added more water, 4 times rising and turning the dough again, cold rising overnight, 3 days of work sometimes, different approaches...All breads were great. BUT....I think that in the end, it comes to baking that. And that is the hard part. One must know their oven. Like keeping the moisture, and controling the heat and the rise of the rails in the oven (with my oven, i start at high temp on a lowest setting of the rails almost at the bottom of the oven, so the heat heats mostly from below, and then after 30 minutes into baking or more or less -depending on the amount of dough that went into the oven (1kg or 1/5kg...),I rise that to the middle rail and proceed to bake to the end at lower temperature. And i bake on a baking stone 1cm thick). Its an art in its own way, this baking stuff. i love it. And i love learning new stuff. Nice video.

I'm definitely learning how to bake bread before this quarantine ends. Thanks, Jack. Your videos are keeping me sane during this chaotic time.

@Bakewithjack

4 жыл бұрын

Have fun Teresa 🤗

Thankyou for your time and your recipe along with all the tips that you have posted over time. I made this recipe yesterday and made it into rolls, my husband said that they were the best that i have made, so a big THANKYOU again.

This is very helpful. Most of the videos on youtube always says "do not overknead the dough" as if they're using their hands. This clears me up and we have nothing to worry about overkneading. Big thumbs up to you Jack 👍🏻

Thanks Jack - this is a great channel! It's reigniting my passion for bread baking ☺

I loved this!!! You are terrific, amazing, entertaining, athletic and answer questions that maybe we all are afraid to ask!!! Thank you for being YOU!!!!!!

Your dedication is mind blowing! This deserves a Trillion 'Likes'...... Thank you, Jack.

Absolutely loved it!! Very much appreciate to have seen this done.

That was one of the best vedios. You’re really top coach , chef , .... God bless you Jack

10:06 "Enough is enough! Wooooo!" I could not help but start laughing. I would have given up long ago with a "To hell with this!"

@rumberosNZ

3 жыл бұрын

Can ask him to knead my arse lol

This awesome and the best way to really understand a craft. So many videos out there just following the status quo and repeating second hand info, instead of knowledge that has been earned by actually testing the methods.

I'd love to see the loaves baked and compared!

This is such an amazing video. Puts me at ease. Thank you so much, Jack!

Thank you so much for your effort! Your clips resolve many questions in my mind.

Thanks for your hard work! 💪 I’m really glad I found your videos! Learning a lot from you!

OGM I needed this! I needed this video so badly. I am heavy handed. I am overly aggressive. My shoulders hold most of my muscle mass. I sometimes can't help it. And ya. I'm scare of being too gentle and not working it long enough or the converse, working it to hard for too long. But I still haven't figured it out because I still end up with sticky dough no matter what I try. That right texture that is bread dough eludes me. I get a bread thing for sure. But it's never gotten that smooth shiny texture I've seen everyone else get. And I might have always had it. Watching you work that piece for an hour and half, and at time work it like I do.... I needed to see that. I really did. Thank you.

You not only saved me an hours worth of kneading and wasting a bunch of ingredients, you have answered some very good basic questions. Thank you!

Wow, you go that far to show us not to worry about over work our dough! Truly appreciate it, thanks 😊

I pressed the subscribe button because of how enthusiastic you are in giving real bread making tips to your viewers.

OK. With that effort, you got my subscription. For all the info you continuously share, thank you!

An excellent video Jack. I wasn't worried to begin with, but now I'm even more assured.

Dope video bruv. very informative. keep up the solid work

I absolutely love your videos. But I must say, I've never watched a video on bread making, that's made me laugh before until your videos. Thank you for being so informative - and making this fun. :)

Great video, Jack!! I've often wondered if the rumour was true or not and YOU DISPROVED IT!! :) You are the MYTHBUSTER of bread making!!

I really appreciate your hard work

Very interesting and a huge relief knowing you can’t really over work the dough. Thanks Jack 😊

That's very reassuring, and entertaining Jack.Thanks mate!

I'm touched by the length you'd go to experiment and make a good video for us. I once kneaded dough for 40 minutes and it was painful and I said "never again!"

@Bakewithjack

4 жыл бұрын

Never again... 🤣

this was really enjoyable.. i knead dough for twenty minutes and feel drained, and you did it for so long. good job on this video!

Brilliant video mate and thanks for your PERSEVERANCE!

@Bakewithjack

2 жыл бұрын

Pleasure 💪🏻

That has helped me a lot as I was always reading that stodgy bread was caused by under working OR over working the dough. Now I only have to worry about under working it. Cheers mate. A new subscriber.

TY for this Vid. Overworking my dough by hand was something that worried me but will no longer, If anything my fear of over kneeding has lead me to underkneed after wrongly blaming my problems on overkneeding. Thank you again this Vid has pointed me in the true direction of my problems.

Gosh, how I loved your music choice...lol. You are an amazing tutor! Love your expert knowledge, your wonderful sense of humor, and your sped up arm acrobatics....lol. You ROCK, darlin'! Best channel on KZread! God bless you in all your endeavors! ☺🍞☕🍞☕💞

THANK YOU!!!! I finally decided to overcome my fear of making bread during this pandemic, but still haven't confronted my biggest fear of all - kneading by hand - due to several really bad over-kneading experiences when I was just out of college. Perhaps it happened because I was carelessly measuring by volume instead of by weight, plus probably just messing up the recipe in other ways too. I now know baking is a much more precise science than making a rustic sauce or soup, but you've proved to me that it takes an impossible amount of hand kneading to truly mess things up. THANK YOU!!!!!

Jack gets the award for outstanding dedication to his followers. Jack you could have added a before and after of your biceps for all the work you put into this. All kidding aside the greatest benefit of this video is we get to see a prolonged demonstration of your kneading technique. That's invaluable for anyone struggling with working with dough wetter than maybe they're accustomed to. Keep them coming mate!

We love you for this Jack!

Omg admire your dedication to give us these valuable lessons

Hey Jack. Greetings from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Thanks for all the work you put into this video. This is Back-breaking research. I appreciate this as it's liberating. I made my first bread loaf at home (something new for the global lock down during the Covid-19 pandemic) last night. I kept worrying that I would overwork my dough. I was trying to remember my Baker's advice from 1995 (although I loved the 1 month experience, it was my first and last bakery job). I remember hearing him say that if you overwork the dough you break the gluten formation. That was weighing on my mind. But the bigger problem was that as the dough was sticky I kept adding flour. I got a nice albeit overly crumbly white bread. A lesson learned. Thanks again. Cheers!

Woah! That's amazing! I was worried if i am overkneading, and here you are.

Great video Jack - love the content and the edit. I've always worked to the thought that there is little point kneading your dough into the point where your yeast should be kicking in and starting to puff up your dough. I was told that, unless you are using a dough more active, more heat, sugar, etc, that yeast activity really starts around 30 mins in, and that is way longer than you really need to knead for. Like you say, 8 mins are enough... unless you are missing the gym and need a workout!

Thanks, Jack.. This video gave me the confidence to bake .. thank you very much,..

Thanks for all your hard work and devotion! 🥂🍻😄

Love the song while you're in speed mode.

@DeWin157

4 жыл бұрын

@@oryxthemad All I know that it is some gal singing in French.

Thank you Jack... This is hillarious and very entertaining and yet i never have to worry about over kneading...thank you!

Tell you Jack that was a great video and thanks to your perseverance, you have killed the myth.

Oh my goodness, bless your heart! I can't believe you worked that dough for 1 1/2 hours! I bet your arms will be sore! Thank you for the experiment! I feel more confident now! Your my hero🤗

Interesting discovery. Thank you for being so funny and cheerful at the same time. God bless

Again another outstanding video! Bravo!

That was absolutely amazing!

So very nicely done!

Ty for answering my question. For my first bread, i kneaded for almost an hour! Didnt know when to stop 🤣

It was helpful, thank you! And, I adored the music!!!

Oh, goodness me Jack, you really gave it a workout! (And yourself). After you went into needing it heavy handed I thought "now its time is over! The bake is going to show it looking like a brick!" Well I was surprised like everyone else. Thanks Jack for proving to us the point in question, so many people just write and say, and others quote them, but you've proved them wrong!

@Bakewithjack

4 жыл бұрын

That’s exactly what I thought too! 🤗

Thanks, I really kneaded this for when I start a bakery. I can't tell you anything more about it though, that's on a knead to know basis. I'm sure I'll be absolutely rolling in the dough once I get up and running.

Just stumbled on your vid. thank you so much, it's been quite informative All the best!

Jack you are just too cute. This video makes me laughed so much. It really shows your dedication to baking bread.

thank you for your sacrifice! I always worried that I will overwork it but now here is the proof that it's very difficult to do

I really love kneading dough! It's so nice to know I can go an extra few minutes and not worry about ruining my loaf. :)

Great! Was wondering this exact thing when I saw this video. Thanks!

Now i dont have to be scared making dough. Thanks to your effort! More power to ur channel!

I have just found your channel👍👍... Thank you for your hard work🙏Very clear explanation & video example & experiment... God bless you🙏

Subscribed! Best workout video eva!!!

Thank you for teaching me that i have never kneaded my dough properly. People always make kneading seem like such a strenuous process that I have always given my kneading everything I've got. Way too aggressive and forceful for 8-15 minutes. Then end up with a sticky mass that was only a bit more elastic than when i started kneading. I'd tell myself that it should come together during the rise and ultimately I'd bake a very sad dense loaf. I wanted to bake more during quarantine, but I didn't want to eat sad bread everyday. Thanks for helping me. After about a couple years of occasional baking, I just made my first proper dough ball that is smooth and bouncy and lovely ❤️

I usually over-knead my bread in 5 minutes! You are too good!

Thanks for all your effort in this!! 😀

Exactly what this newbie needed to hear. Thank you!

Just got some flour so can get back into production. Thought I’d watch this to see if I can improve my technique, bit less water and a bit less aggressive needing. Most impressed by your stamina well done.

Great video! I have always wondered~ thanks for the video!

I love you jackk ur literally the best human being ever

This is great science! :) Thanks for putting in the time!

Wow, thanks for this, I am new at baking bread and it is one thing I worry about kneading enough☺️ and I agree this is one heck of a workout😅. Thanks Jack, new subscriber here from Philippines❤️

You did very hard work to explain, thanks

That slow pan to the ticking clock with epic music was verging on Christopher Nolan quality cinematography. Well done

Couldn't imaginr myself kneading for that long. Bravo bro! Good video

Thank you so much for this video! I made my first supple, fluffy, fantastic dough last night for the first time. I thought I'd been overworking the dough even though I'd heard that it's impossible to do so by hand. I was too scared to go too far still and my doughs were always too under kneaded. You have proven the old adage right! Thank you for making these thoroughly helpful and reassuring videos!

@Bakewithjack

3 жыл бұрын

AMAZING Stephanie 🤗 well done! It’s my pleasure 🤗

This video alone deserves a sub! Thanks for sharing.

Epic. Thanks for doing that so we don't have to!

THIS VIDEO WAS HELPFUL! honest. Thank you.