This is called a PC 410 and was invented around 30+ years ago by Ned Plummer. Ned happens to be my dad and I remember posing for the sales photos when I was young I also remember many nights putting the inserts in these . These were sold in his sporting good store and he actually held the patten on this.

@314299

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for this information! Might I ask how you found my video?

@hottrnhel

3 жыл бұрын

@@314299 Ned actually found while researching something else and told me about it.

@hottrnhel

3 жыл бұрын

@@314299 Also as a side note the original intention was for this to be used as a training device and to help bring the younger generation into the arena of sport shooting.

@guestandsons

3 жыл бұрын

Look great would like to purchase.

@314299

3 жыл бұрын

@@hottrnhel I found the patent on-line for these and it made for interesting reading, thanks again for the info as I would not have found it without having the inventors name to search.

Great entertaining and informative video as usual from you in these strange times we live in, keep it up PLEASE!!

@314299

3 жыл бұрын

Will do, thanks for the comment.

I applicate your videos, they are straight forward and informative. also, you don't get some super expensive firearm to demonstrate what the real goal of the video is. Btw, those Bakal shotguns are the real deal for a reasonable price, most of the added features are just standard on what they build and expected to be standard for the sportsman for what you buy. Many of those adapters are the same, they do not fit the bore past the chamber and that causes a wide variety of things to happen. btw, I miss your chats with Gungeek, You guys should get together and have another. Good video -Dave

@314299

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback Dave. That IJ-17 Baikal in the video in very worn condition, but still works like a champ. The IJ-17 is probably the least common of all the Baikal variants, I would like to source a nicer example, but its only the second one I've seen for sale in the past five years. Perhaps Gungeek and I will do a chat or two over the holidays.

Great video, thanks for sharing

@314299

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

I have that very same adapter in my collection! Had it for 30 years at least. Been doing extensive testing on smoothbore & rifled adapters, just finished "Phase 1" test of 12-28 ga. & 12-410 "Little Skeeters" yesterday. Also on Round 4 of testing .357, .44 & .45 Colt shotshells in smoothbore 12 ga adapter. They are interesting. Also testing the "Hammond Game Getter" .243 (Shoots #3 buck pellets). Mike

@314299

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, these little plastic adapters have been around a long time, I'm sure they have been sold for at least 40 years. I found a place on-line that still lists them for sale, about $10 in the USA. Quite a few guys at the local skeet club have used the "Little Skeeters" and seem pleased with them, unlike the adapter in the video the 12 to 410 Little Skeeter is a little longer giving a short amount of barrel to allow the slow powder used in 410 shells to work. Your testing sounds interesting.

@HobbiesHobo

3 жыл бұрын

@@314299 I'd be interested in more of the plastic adapters? Haven't run across them yet, ?? Mike

Very good information. The velocity was something I had never considered before buying a set of shot lane adapters for my 12 gauge single shotgun. Quite disappointed to see this . Still they would help in an emergency situation. Thank you.

@314299

3 жыл бұрын

The Short Lane 12 gauge to 410 adapter is a bit longer than this plastic one so there should be a little more velocity - I would guess 700 fps with the same shells.

@christinamoneyhan5688

3 жыл бұрын

@@314299 I’m going to have to be in that 10 yard range to make it effective for small game. I do know that Chiappa makes a adapter kit that has a 12” long . I think. I also believe Short Lane does too. I just purchased them before I did any research on them. My fault.

Never seen a plastic one, the two I own are for 380 and 45 acp, both rifled 4", the work well in a break action 20 gauge

@314299

3 жыл бұрын

I've used a rifled one in .38 Spl/.357 Mag, not a lot of "accuracy" with something that fits loosely in the chamber like that one did, it needed a few wraps of tape around it to snug it up.

A buddy at work has some Short Lane adapters. His are steel and rifled. He has a set for his single shot 20 gauge. I think he has 38 special, 9mm,410 bore and even 22lr. Are these similar to what you showed. I looked at thier site and a rifled set is well over 100 dollars. Any way always enjoy your videos thank you for the hard work.

@314299

3 жыл бұрын

I've seen those adapters, one of the club members had a set of them in a fancy nylon carrying case. A fairly expensive set to buy here. Any idea of the sort of accuracy one could expect from those things?

I wonder if the velocity changes were due to the plastic body of the adapter flexing and stretching from the heat developed during firing. As more shots are fired, the plastic is going to move. A steel version might be more consistent but the velocities would still be much lower than firing the same shells in a proper .410 barrel

@314299

3 жыл бұрын

Perhaps to some degree flex might play a part but I think the issue is the lack of effective barrel length. The powder used in 410 loads is quite slow burning (by shotgun standards) and it needs a reasonable amount of barrel to get burning properly and to build up repeatable pressure and therefore velocity.

That was interesting.

@314299

Жыл бұрын

I'm glad to hear that, thanks for the comment.

Gd for partridge up close

@314299

3 жыл бұрын

Might work if they were very close, would not rip them apart like a 12 gauge can.

Interesting!👍🏾😀❤️🇺🇸

@314299

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment.

Muito legal!!!

@314299

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

Looks to be recoiling like a .22!

@314299

3 жыл бұрын

Not much more recoil than that.

I can't think of many uses for it .

@314299

3 жыл бұрын

While not a terribly useful item In think these might have a couple uses. First it would be a way for a new shooter or child to try shooting a shotgun without the intimidation of recoil - and if all you have to work with is a 12 gauge these things would be a way to do that. The other idea is that these might be useful if you wanted a super reduced load for use inside a barn or feed silo to shoot rodents at close range, limited power could keep from shooting thru walls/roof, etc.

At what distance were the tests carried out? Barrel and choke length?

@314299

3 жыл бұрын

The test distances were given in the video. Barrel is 29" and choke is a very tight full, pretty close to being extra full. I suspect neither barrel length or choke have a significant impact on velocity with such a small wad in a large barrel.

While not a man stopper, this would most likely deter an attack should the aggressor take one to the face. Not my first choice, but preferred or correct caliber isn’t always available these days. Small critters probably won’t appreciate it either. I wonder if one could be made with pvc or other plumbing parts 🤔

@314299

3 жыл бұрын

Well I certainly would not want to be shot in the face with one of these - or anything else! As for a home made version it might be possible, but remember these have a steel reinforcement in the base, I'm sure they made them that way for good reason.

The only chamber reducer I've really found useful is one that allows you to fire 45-70 from a 577/450 MH. Then again, I'm not training young kids.

@314299

3 жыл бұрын

I can see that being a particularly useful adapter, much easier and cheaper to get 45/70 brass compared to 577/450.

Dropping down smaller distances in gauges works better. I have a 10 to 12 and a 16 to 20. You can shoot these older guns with cheaper ammo.

@314299

3 жыл бұрын

That is true. Adapters that go down a gauge generally work quite well as modern gas sealing wads will let the pressure build up and therefor you can get decent performance.

@twentyfifthdui4717

8 ай бұрын

I had a problem with a 20 to 28 adapter by "Little Skeeters." The round got stuck in the adapter and the wall of the adapter was so thin I couldn't remove the shell without denting and damaging the adapter. We even dried drilling the round out but nothing worked. It basically was a one time use tool. I think I sold it for maybe 2 dollars (I had paid about $100 I think) with the shell still in it. So now I only use adapters that are at least 10/100 of an inch smaller, like 20 to 410. That way the adapters are thicker and more sturdy. I also avoid Little Skeeters altogether. I think the bore of their adapter had to be defective or else why would a round get stuck so solidly, like the brass just welded itself into the tube.

Gd for up close /home defense?

@314299

2 жыл бұрын

I dont think that would be a great idea.

The offspring wants to know how slugs work in this adaptor.

@314299

3 жыл бұрын

You can borrow it if you want to try some slugs out of it.

Would it work in a flare gun?

@314299

3 жыл бұрын

Would be a great way to blow a flare gun up. Flares operate at very low pressure compared to shotgun shells, and flare guns are quite lightly built, for the most part.

Cool concept but last time i checked 410 Ammo costs more that 12 guage

@314299

2 жыл бұрын

Clearly these adapters are not about saving money as 410 shells have always been expensive compared to 12 ga, they are about reduced recoil and reduced power.

@justacentrist4147

2 жыл бұрын

@@314299 that makes sence i supose they would be good for training youth as well

been trying to find this specifically......anyone have any for sale?

@314299

3 жыл бұрын

I've not seen these for sale in awhile. Perhaps try eBay?

You can put it in semi-automatic rifles

@314299

2 жыл бұрын

You could use these in a semi-auto shotgun but they would not operate the action semi-automatically.

Only possible use I could think of, letting a young child shooting tin cans.

@314299

3 жыл бұрын

That's quite possibly a common use for these.

410 adapter: Turns your 12G shotgun up to 11.

@314299

3 жыл бұрын

Or turns it to 1.1

@777anarchist

3 жыл бұрын

@@314299 Shhh... Bad for business.