Someone needs to make a 1" cube lidar device that does the same thing as the phone with a simple OLED screen for settings and calibration.

@initialfocus

Жыл бұрын

That’d be sweet!

@JoATTech

Жыл бұрын

I've seem one in the works like a year ago ... I guess it was some crowfunding platform ... guess they failed :)

@MariusHeier1

Жыл бұрын

I can make that. But its probably easier to make with a tof sensor. Like the Texas Instrument opt3101 i got in a bag here somewhere.

@verhuus4064

Жыл бұрын

The "Cube" is the AFX from CDA-Tek. It performs well. For zoom lenses too. The only downside is that programming is done with buttons, on the device. Focus Puller and AFX would be the ideal combination!

@charlesoxley7242

Жыл бұрын

There's the a device by Axoncine. Originally they made one specifically for the BMPCC4k/6k which controlled lenses electronically, and was operated via bluetooth (a pretty slick way of doing it, imho). However, they discontinued it, and replaced it with a device that does the same thing, but requires a Tilta Nano focus motor.

This video is underrated. This is so useful and crafty. Thank you for this gem of a hack!

This is amazing! I've been putting off looking into focus rings for months for my 4K, glad I did. Works like a charm and saves me more than a few bucks haha!

@initialfocus

Жыл бұрын

Always nice to save some dough! Hope it works well for you!

Thank you so much for this. Totally awesome. I downloaded it, tried it out and purchased the app. Worth it!

Wow! What a great tip! Gonna try right now! Thank you very much :)

Very cool, thanks for trying this!

Pretty cool. :) Hope the app gets a little update to allow for slower and more natural pulls, and perhaps an option to not instantly snap to what whatever is covered by the dot so people could cross the frame. And a wider coverage area and the ability to place it wherever to allow for the dot to stray a bit, and for off centre composition. Also, I’m guessing this rules out using zoom lenses? And if the phone shifts, you’d need to recalibrate it? (Can the App store calibration data for different lenses and between lens changes and uses?) I guess needing to position it next to the lens means no Matt boxes either. With the setup, perhaps a cage and something to securely attach the phone to the centre just above the lens and as far forward as it can go. (Something custom without joints, but maybe telescopic to allow for different lens sizes). The phone could then be completely centered (for balance) and the LiDAR would be in approximately the same position it is here (except top mounted). Or if preferred, just slightly to one side instead of all the way, with the LiDAR perfectly centred over the lens. If done correctly, the setup should be repeatable too, meaning no calibration each time?

Oh wow this is SO helpful!!

This is great! Thanks for this video

okay this is sick. DOWNLOADING NOW

@initialfocus

Жыл бұрын

It’s a great little app to have! Probably not going to be used on every shoot but damn if I needed autofocus in a pinch for some setup. It’s a nice option to be able to quickly rig on.

This is pretty neat!

Black magic should make their own focus module. It’s a totally awesome possibility as the need of external focus motor is no longer there. Hope this tech is further developed. One should not be forced to buy Sony or Canon for AF and end up with less than optimal codecs.

@captureinsidethesound

Жыл бұрын

You should buy a mirrorless camera if you want auto-focus and ProRes/LOG video. One should not buy a Cinema Camera expecting any form of auto-focus no more than they should expect photo-mode, further defeating the purpose of being a dedicated cinema camera.

@ModernMallus

Жыл бұрын

@@captureinsidethesound I want a camera that can do in body RAW 4K ( BRAW or Pro res raw) with good AF. I am not making any feature films. I don’t want this camera to take any photos either. This will be very useful for KZreadrs for instance. Can you recommend me such a mirror less camera for under 5K euros ?

@zoetmoments5625

Жыл бұрын

@@captureinsidethesound Why should creator be forced to buy a MLC with auto focus which has inferior codec. also why should a Cine cam not come with auto focus. just because it comes with one does not mean it has to be used you can auto right disable it. are you forgetting that the RED Komodo has autofocus feature built in and so are newer pro cam's with RF lenses or E mount lenses. the demand is now there. We can agree that the Sony Alexa, Panavision, Red V Raptor e.t.c and the likes of Arri may not need auto focus but the Profession market i.e Prosumer market would benefit from it. And yes BMPCC 6K should have come with a damn autofocus feature PDAF, does not mean it has to be use. so then better introduce something with there new Cube design yet to be release.

Nice discovery! I love it. Seems like it would be easy to implement an ease in/out function, unless its some stepper motor limitation. though I CAN do it by hand with the usual Blackmagic camera app and get that soft ease. ive been using the iPhone LIDAR for visual effects needs for a while now. Scanning rooms to create models for reference and dynamics simulations. I can tell you, the awesome next step for this would be to merge the LIDAR metadata into the BRAW (sort of how Blackmagic is doing with the gyro for stabilization) and use the LIDAR to pull focus on anything, as well as aperture in post. I know, thats crazy but that would be amazing. sort of how the light field cameras work. oh I can only dream.

@tradingcafe_fr

Жыл бұрын

The resolution of the depth map of the iPhone LiDAR is : 256x192 You already get a beautiful background blur with lenses.

@flipnap2112

Жыл бұрын

@@tradingcafe_fr 256x192 what?. And Im not suggesting using Lidar to generate bokeh.

quickest $12 I've ever spent.... and quickest sub

Thank for a great review and a brilliant idea . Can’t wait to grab my 6K and try it ! Also even bigger news seems to be that with this app , you can use your iPhone as a low lag video monitor!

@SoulMedia1

Жыл бұрын

Haha! Not monitoring BMPCC 6K … image is from iPhone :)

I absolutely love this

@initialfocus

Жыл бұрын

It’s pretty cool!

Michael always giving out value. Thank you.. It sucks that there aren't any apps for android users.

@charlesoxley7242

Жыл бұрын

I'm guessing the reason for that is, very few Android phones have LiDAR built into time (other than a handful of older Samsung Galaxy phones).

Thanks for exploring new alternatives…. 👏👏👏

@initialfocus

Жыл бұрын

I love the big expensive toys like anyone else but it’s always nice to stumble upon something cool that also doesn’t wreck my wallet 😂

@joaquinperalba1624

Жыл бұрын

This also shows you’re clearly seeing in advance the future of this technology … so I appreciate people like you being always excited to investigate further and deeper…. So thanks again.😊

This is awesome! I would love to see a real-use application!

@initialfocus

Жыл бұрын

Lots of people asking so I may do a more real world scenario use of it vs the dji lidar!

Hi Michael ! Great video as always. Pretty sure that the FOV of the LIDAR on the iPhone is about 70° so, if you put the iPhone vertically and point it a little bit down, the green point should be centered while the depth map should cover enough FOV. Maybe give it a try, if u didn't already.

@initialfocus

Жыл бұрын

Solid idea! I have not tried it vertically, definitely will give it a shot!

@tradingcafe_fr

Жыл бұрын

@@initialfocus I'd be happy to know if it works (or not) :D Cheers from France

@flipnap2112

Жыл бұрын

@@initialfocus yeah keep us posted

Thanks for this would love to know how you managed to get the setup right!

THANK YOU!!!

Need this for the Sigma FP. So cool!

@initialfocus

Жыл бұрын

It technically works via Bluetooth so it may work with other cameras that can connect to stuff like this! Blackmagic is all I have though so I didn’t want to say it worked for all Bluetooth cameras.

@LeoMaverick

Жыл бұрын

@@initialfocus did you mentioned which iphone you were using?

This is crazy dude. Would be super helpful for Vlogging for sure!

@nokiaairtel5311

Жыл бұрын

I saw what you did there 😏

@initialfocus

Жыл бұрын

Yup! Would look ridiculous but man I’d love the BRAW look in a vlog haha

This is gonna be a game changer for me!

@initialfocus

Жыл бұрын

It’s pretty incredible for how simple it is!

@fellowcreator

Жыл бұрын

@@initialfocus absolutely

Ooo that is very cool!! 🤩

@initialfocus

Жыл бұрын

Right?! Love when products can merge like this

This would work well on a shoulder mount, and use a clamp mount for the iphone from the rod on the left side... Nice dude, i'm going to try this out!

This is great thanks..

Nice find.

Saved me some green. Subbed.

@initialfocus

Жыл бұрын

🙌🏼 happy to help!

thank you for this video, but please also show us outside in open space, how its do the focus.

I am a cheap skate but I've been wanting autofocus on my Blackmagic 6K for a long time. I've spent $12.99 on much less useful things. lmao. I did exactly what you said, downloaded the free version, tested it out with my lens, I was beyond tripped out seeing my BM6K autofocusing, and just bought it. I haven't done any calibrations yet but the mere fact that the connection was made and the lens was moving around as I moved my phone was enough for me to actually try to calibrate it. Thanks for being so vigorous at this problem!

@deltaboy2011

Жыл бұрын

Can you buy a lens that has autofocus and put it on the Blackmagic?

@Sincerelytk

Жыл бұрын

@@deltaboy2011 Yeah you can. The Blackmagic has 1 tap autofocus, not to be confused with continuous autofocus. If you press and hold on your screen or use the center autofocus button, your autofocus lens will do it's job. This app allows you to use continuous autofocus through bluetooth and lidar. It works pretty well, you just have to nail your calibration and mount it properly that it wont move.

@deltaboy2011

Жыл бұрын

@@Sincerelytk With an autofocus lens on Blackmagic camera, you can let it do its job continously without all the gimmicks of the iphone and app and so on right? I'm new to cameras.

@Sincerelytk

Жыл бұрын

@@deltaboy2011 No. You are incorrect. Without the iphone (for the example in this video) the camera will not "continuous" autofocus. ONLY 1 tap autofocus. The reason for this video is to show you how to get continuous autofocus without additional gear like a 3d lidar module and ronin gimbal.

@deltaboy2011

Жыл бұрын

@@Sincerelytk so not even an electronic focus lens won’t do it?

i shoot on my blackmagic in manual all the time, however i also do self tape auditions and for this I need an autofocus. been looking for an option and this may be the one. thanks!

Insane!

@initialfocus

Жыл бұрын

Pretty cool app for sure!

Thanks for bringing this to our attention! Is there a way to slow down the focus pull, in case we want a gradual pull? Have you tested it out on let's say a push in on a single subject, to see if it focuses in steps or if it's gradual?

@initialfocus

Жыл бұрын

With the manual focus you can get pretty smooth. I’m sure it also may vary on the lens being used. However as I said in the video, for the markers there’s no smooth focus pull option. It just instantly switches.

@POPFILMSproductions

Жыл бұрын

@@initialfocus sorry I should’ve been more specific and said with the lidar option

This looks interesting

Crazy 😎 cool!!

Hi Michael ! Such a great idea !!! Is It avalaible for android phone? Thanks a lot!

thanks for sharing this amazing tech Michael! If I don't get wrong, only those iPhone series with lidar can use this function?

@initialfocus

Жыл бұрын

Welcome! And correct. I believe the iPhone 12 Pro was the first to get LiDAR so it would be the last 2 generations of Pro (max) iPhones.

LIDAR tech is predominantly cool for giving vintage manual focus lenses that power of precision focusing for most user folks not used to manual glass. But this one seems to only use autofocus lenses.

Yeah, still gotta spend the 2 bandz... Im overdue for a new gimbal anyways, I milked the crap out of my Crane 2. Still works though!

Cool, Does it work with Sony? And if so, you can add those markers and have the focus on slow... Will check it out.

Awesome video! I noticed that your lens was an 18-135. What field of view were you on when you calibrated? And what happens when you zoom in/out? Does it keep focus still?

@initialfocus

Жыл бұрын

You know, I did not really test that lol. Just stayed at 18mm. I’ll test it out for the next video people are asking for

That's pretty impressive! Do you have to recalibrate it on your zoom lense, if it's not parfocal (which most zooms aren't) or does it have some internal data to compensate for that when telling the app which lense model you're using?

@initialfocus

Жыл бұрын

Going to test this more! Not sure to be honest. Kept it at 18mm for this video but it’s a great point for zooms!

@i.o.digital6998

Жыл бұрын

@@initialfocus Agreed, this would be interesting to see!

how about you connect DJI LiDAR to type c hub and type c hub to power and phone

Hey would you mind listing the magic arm , phone clamp, and phone case you used or magic arm that you would recommend?

Do u think a blackmagic production camera would be a good buy in 2022? As its now availabke used for cheap

Blackmagic just needs to have Sony level AF. The technology is out there. Enough with the cameras that don't have it at least built in as an option. GREAT VIDEO!

@jdc2126

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately they don’t own any patents. So I don’t think they will ever have auto focus unless they acquire a company that has the technology.

I have a blackmagic 4K pocket camera and a Sigma 18-35mm lens. Does the app work with them?

This is dope.

@initialfocus

Жыл бұрын

Right??

@heynow2880

Жыл бұрын

@@initialfocus on the calibration with the app how many pin points do you have to do?

@initialfocus

Жыл бұрын

I believe the minimum is 15 but you can do more.

@heynow2880

Жыл бұрын

@@initialfocus how cool would it be if the software just figured it out and you didn’t need to calibrate it?

cool 🙏

Can you use the iPhone as a monitor with the lidar app running in the background?

im shocked this has taken as long as it has to be implemented. i hope we get this in more cameras.

@arthurkallinen

Жыл бұрын

Blackmagic actually has had this for quite a while, it was the lidar side on the phone that took the time. Cause I've used the focus pull from an other app in 2019 with my P4K.

The Bluetooth+ app for Blackmagic DOES allow focus pulling and points, as well as speed between points. Doesn't support Lidar yet to my knowledge.

does it have sitting to make the focus smother or tune the speed of transition the focus?

I take it, the app isn't available for Android?

Interesting concept but it doesn’t work well. I dont know if it’s the app or the iphone 13 pro max lidar but measured distances are wildly inconsistent, at least for me. Ill point at something 6 meters away then to something about 1 meter away then back to 6. Sometimes the 6 meter distance measures at 6, sometimes 1.5, other times any number in between. Would love to try the rs3 lidar to see if it’s the phone (which I suspect is the issue) but not sure it’s worth the money if it can’t be 100% reliable…or really even if it is.

What lens are you using? I am new to this. I don't understand how to have an electronic lens on a Black Magic. I have the BMPCC 4k.

Does this work with the Original 6k as well or only the pro model?

I don't know BMD cameras, but besides the adding markers feature, would the camera not have similar in camera features like Sony cameras do for touch track subject , etc. what's the limitations of using the lens AF function to achieve center focus versus using the phone Lidar?

I would use this rig but I need to get a newer phone first before I can use it.

No App for Android Smartphones?🙃

not possible to connect LIDAR focus viewer not supported on this device (device: euro, France) ?

Does this work for the 6K v1?

Care to link the products for the rig? (Arm etc.)

No ANDROID, That wipes out half the populous of Photographers. BRILLIANT!!

Is it also work in Nikon DSLR

I dont know if you need the actual gimbal to use the dji lidar and motor focus puller

I have seen many limitations on the system, do you have a better app using the lidar to connect at the camera? The focus with a reference only the center is ultra ultra basic, impossible to use the sytem on a gimbal... Thanks

Great app but If you have to tap on the phone to change focus then the process is still pretty much manual. Most folks looking for autofocus need to concentrate on shooting the subject while the focus is being taken care of automatically, I stand to be corrected though.

Could this application work also on Nikon DSLRs????????????

would this work for the ursamini 4.6k?

The app Bluetooth + for bmpcc’s has been around for years. I get it this is LiDAR?!

Looks like a brilliant app and it would be great to see it working with a solid clamped iPhone and in some actual filming scenarios. Do you think you will be up for doing that?

@initialfocus

Жыл бұрын

Lots of people asking for it so I think I just might!

@gamedesign1

Жыл бұрын

@@initialfocus awesome, can't wait to see it :)

Does this work with the bigger URSAʻs?

I'm unable to download this app. every time i click the google link... it tells me the app isn't available in my region.

Does this work with Blackmagic Pocket 4k?

Hello Michael, hello YT, please help me understand better: In scenario, when you have your "electronic" Canon 18-135mm lens on your BMPCC 6K Pro and original DJI Lidar modul + RS3 Pro, you are still able to connect system without follow focus? Or we need always that follow focus modul as "end part" ? I am asking because my favorite setup it that specific lens with BMPCC 6K Pro. Thanx for explanation.

@tomashaverlik

Жыл бұрын

or maybe scenario with lens like Sigma 18-35 f1.8. Should i use it with DJI follow focus / or there is some electronic/BT way how to make it as "autofocus" setup? Thanx in advance for explanation!

Not sure if Huge camera or tiny man?

Probably better to use this with rods Than magic arm.

That's a genius idea! Why not using the took we already have, ahah But the next upgrade would be to change the speed otherwise it's not very practical

@initialfocus

Жыл бұрын

Yeah definitely fine for anyone who doesn’t mind just quick focus and not really cinematic racks haha

@stephanes.

Жыл бұрын

@@initialfocus for sure!

@flipnap2112

Жыл бұрын

this is true but its kind of the same with autofocus in general. I dont know, as I dont use it for a long time, but I dont recall having any control over the speed of the autofocus

Can something similar be done with an android and ronin sc2?

You can't smoothly transition from one focus mark to the other, it just jumps instant.y "So that's kind of the only downside..." Which basically makes it useless?

no no for me . thanks 4 sharing

Good

does it work with the best black magic camera, the bmpcc original OG? BECAUSE YOUR VIDEO HEADING SAYS "AutoFocus For Blackmagic Cameras".

Is it possible to move the green dot around the screen to adjust what you are focusing on? Not every focus point is in the centre of a frame and keeping a finger on the screen to hold a focus point seems rather cumbersome.

@initialfocus

Жыл бұрын

Nope, that’s why I mentioned I used the magic arm so I can move the phone and green dot to where I want to focus it. The iPhone LiDAR has a very limited field of view. It can’t see everything the actual camera lens can see so it’s only focused on the center

i cant get this to work at all properly

Is there a similar app for GH5/6?

Do you know if AC APP for Android offers something similar with a Pixel 6? Eg: auto tracking like demonstrated in your video?

I wonder if there might be a suitable rig setup to mount the iphone securely. The only two things keeping me from getting BM cameras is no AF and poor low light

@initialfocus

Жыл бұрын

I know autofocus is a huge con for many people using Blackmagic. Low light tho has improved greatly over the years. My first Blackmagic couldn’t film over 800 ISO. Now it has dual native iso at 400 and 3200. I’ve shot 6400-25,600 and saved some clips with noise reduction in resolve. It may not be Sony, but it’s pretty damn solid in low light

@HikingWithCooper

Жыл бұрын

I have the OG 6k and the noise is intolerable. Great cam in bright light and under just the right circumstances but dang, you need the perfect storm of circumstances.

Dude this app would be dope for film cameras just to use as a cheap cinetape setup, compared to the like $2k those cost.

@initialfocus

Жыл бұрын

It’s definitely a great app to have if you’re in a pinch and just need a setup like this real quick.

🔥

@initialfocus

Жыл бұрын

🙌🏼

objektiv olympus 40-150??

Saw the thumbnail/title and had to check this out - you know me, I suffer from Unrealistic Minimalism.... What if you get an accessory for the hotshoe area that allows you to shift the phone so that the lidar area is pararell with the lens, THEN tilt the lidar down slightly so that it's viewing pretty much with the lens is? Maybe you've tried it and it doesn't work. But if something like that could work... DUUUUUUDE!

@initialfocus

Жыл бұрын

Hah! Of course this is the video that grabs you 😂 and you know, you’re the second person to mention something like that. I think it’s a great idea. Much for stable and minimal looking to mount on top and then just aim down to have the green dot focused on where the middle framing of the camera is focused on. There’s no reason it wouldn’t work!

@martinXY

Жыл бұрын

"Unrealistic Minimalism" I love that.

You mention needing a lens with electronic focus. I use a Sigma 18-35 1.8 DC lens. How do I know if that or any other lens has electronic focus? How do you check for that? Thanks!

@initialfocus

Жыл бұрын

If your lens has any auto focus ability (which ur does) then it’s an electronic lens. Giveaways are the electric pins by the back of the lens mount. Cine lenses or full manual lenses don’t have those.

Is there a start recording/stop recording button option?

@initialfocus

Жыл бұрын

Not in this app no. I know the Bluetooth+ app has camera controls, and manual focus control. Just not the LiDAR function

It doesn't work for me, I connected the camera and the app, and I can't use the manual focus, the camera doesn't respond.

do you need a electronic lens for this?

@initialfocus

Жыл бұрын

Yup!

God this technology 🔥, why don’t you tera out in reel world, would be really find video