BO1 happens, then SR1 happens because of it. This leads directly into SR2, which changes the timeline, and at the ending of SR2, everyone's gone back in time to the time of the Sarafan. Then Defiance happens, and details what happens during that changed timeline - instead of Janos remaining dead, as originally happened, Raziel raises him. When the BO1 version of Kain destroys the pillars, the Hylden Lord is free, possesses Janos. This directly sets up BO2.

Now I'm gonna be the fangirl and say that I looooooove when Kain's voice gets all feline. It's like he purrs the dialogue. lol.

The voice acting is amazing, sends shivers down my spine just listening to the intro.

I’ll never forget this game

@zarlieck (continuing...) in Defiance, the Hylden set up in motion their plan; Kain fails in stopping the Hylden from using Raziel and Janos, so the events from BO2 are going to happen imminently, but there were also a historical change: Kain is now free from corruption so he can claim his rol as Scion and Guardian of Balance, and now he's able to: 1) restore the pillars without dying, 2) prevent the rise of the Hylden and the events form BO2 and 3) defeat the Elder God once and for all

Given the choice, whether to rule a corrupted failing empire, or to challenge the fate of another throw, a better throw against one’s destiny, what was a king to do?. “Ozar Midrashim” by Kurt Harland.

Kain's monologues on fate are always great. This was a grand game; a brilliant climax to the Soul Reaver trilogy which just so happens to be one of the finest trilogies I've ever encountered.

Play Blood Omen....it's worth of it. You'll understand things...better, the game has a really DEEP plot...if you not play Blood Omen properly you will not understand Kain's motivations in Soul Reaver 1 and 2...and thus you will not understand him in Defiance.

On the other hand if he had sacrificed himself, it would have ensured the extinction of vampires forever, leaving the pillars in the hands of the humans, thus allowing the Hylden to escape, which would have been far more disastrous.

As far as the 'killing off Raziel's clan' part is concerned, it's been pretty much established that the spawn of each one of Kain's lieutenants take on the traits and abilities of their masters...i.e., Melchiah's fragile body, Rahab's immunity to water, etc. So, with that in mind, the common theory is that Raziel's clan, like Raziel himself, began to grow wings and, because of that, Kain felt the need to wipe them out, probably out of the same jealousy that made him rip out Raziel's wings.

Everyone here is right in some way. Joudas is right that the events in BO2 could not have happened if not for Defiance, what with Janos and the Hylden Lord, BUT BO2 DOES follow the events of the younger Kain, it just happens that what was caused by Raziel and the older Kain in Defiance, effects the events that happen to his past self. At least as far I can make out having played them.

The legend

SR2's ending unleashes the events of BO2. Kain said it quite clear after saving Raziel from the Reaver: "The Hylden! We walked right into their trap! Raziel, Janos must stay dead!". At this point, Kain with his new memories knew what was going to happen if Raziel revives Janos. In Defiance, Kain's first objective is to prevent Raziel from revive Janos and the events of BO2, but he couldn't, Raziel revives Janos and the Hylden Lord takes control of him. But the origin of BO2 is the SR2's ending.

Blood Omen 2 chronologically takes place between BO1 and SR1, but the events in BO2 are made possible by the events in Defiance (Raziel reviving Janos, the Hylden Lord possessing him and taking his body to power The Device - these are all key plot points in BO2). The timeline that BO2 falls on was created by the events in Defiance. Essentially, Defiance changed history and made BO2 happen.

Like I said - I meant the Soul Reaver trilogy not the entire Legacy of Kain series. Defiance is the 'meeting' of the two series that make up the Legacy of Kain. Blood Omen could continue but after Defiance, Soul Reaver has met its crescendo.

I like how Kain just nonchalantly feed on and dropped that Sarafan guy like he was eating an apple.

@Joudas right on, actually so excited for this, i havnt been wooed by a linear game for a very long time

@zarlieck (concluding) so BO2 events ARE PRODUCT of SR2's and Defiance's ending, you can't ignore the fact that they are going to happen, as for Kain already and lived them and saw them in his "new" memories (man, thank you, i mean it, discussing about LoK really makes my day, it's been so long since i did it! :'D)

What you're referring to, I believe, is a few notes stating that BO2's altered timeline (that is to say, altering the original timeline that occurred between BO1 and SR1) was caused by the paradoxes at the end of SR2, which is correct - but how those paradoxes lead into BO2 are explained in Defiance. BO1 -> SR1 -> SR2 -> (altered timeline begins) -> Defiance -> BO2.

@Joudas cool, thanks, Blood Omen is a little too dated for me, but the others look nostalgic. where can i get them? i cant find them on steam or even basic torrents

An interesting thing to do is listen to the Defiance introduction and the Epilogue back to back. Kain is arrogant and self-justifying in the introduction, but just sounds so tired in the epilogue!

Your answer is the best ^^

And thats why it is still the best series of narrative driven games i've played to date. If you have never played these games, but are considering it, DO IT! You will not regret it. Kain is the ultimate badass. (p.s. re the discussion below, you can start with SR1, then 2' then, lok:defiance

@smaggegi Yes, play them in order (chronological order, not release order - Blood Omen, Soul Reaver 1, Soul Reaver 2, Defiance, Blood Omen 2 - the last being optional) or the story won't make a lot of sense. Failing that, at the very least watch the cutscenes on KZread and read up on the story ahead of time.

EPIC

Kain as a human Balance Guardian (such as Ariel) would've died, but as a vampire revived with Ancient Vampire's blood (Janos' heart and blood) he cannot die because he owns the status of Scion of Balance, the first Vampire Balance Guardian, the one told by the prophecy. The only way he can be killed is by his very own weapon, the Soul Reaver.

Actually you are both right. They are, for a fact, five in the whole series but I think Headhanger means that Soul Reaver, Soul Reaver 2 and Defiance all hangs together as for Blood Omen's and Blood Omen 2's stories stands alone. More exactly; SR, SR2 and Defiance are a trilogy but BO and BO2 are seperate stories.

One can only match move by move the machinations of fate

If you're referring to BO2 (because Blood Omen 1 is quite obviously the first), it's described as featuring a "young Kain", but chronologically, it can't have happened until after Defiance - in Defiance, the Hylden Lord returns and Janos is resurrected, Hylden Lord possesses him, and escapes with his body. This enables the events of BO2, which begins with the Hylden Lord (known as the Sarafan Lord, there) defeats Kain in battle.

whats th name of the musick and where can i dload it???

Isn't BO2 an alternate realm due to all the stuff that happened in SR2?

@filipj9613

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Kalitas Bloodchief of Ghet It is

@HittokiriBattousai17

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Bo2 not canon

SO did Kain retreat from the fortress is SR2 and come back the following night? or what happened to him afterward?

Because he is the Scion of Balance

You forget that when Raziel meets Janos, it's nearly a generation before BO1...the only thing in BO2 that doesn't make sense is Vorador but it's been thought that Kain brought him back somehow...but hopefully if they make a new game *hopes* they'll explain how Vorador comes back after getting his head lobbed off by Moebius' followers.

I think it was more like in SR1, SR2, Defiance and probably the others had the issue that the dev team ran out of time so they had to remove some content and even leave the end with some sort of cliff hangers. For what I've read it seems that they never planed to have 5 games in the first place and even end the story since SR1 where Raziel would have killed Kain. Of course I wish they'd continue the story.

@cartoonglutton326 whats CG ?

@TheThordir They could try baby oil or milk baths. Moist towelettes?

@smaggegi If you've got access to a PS2, Amazon or your local (used) game store would probably be your best bet. For the best graphics, grab the PS1 / PS2 versions of the games, and run them through an emulator.

@zarlieck The Hylden have been around since Blood Omen. Regardless Blood Omen 2 has a lot of events that really don't make sense in any of the timelines in the series because it was made by a different team who didn't bother to do the research. The storyline of the series makes just as much (possibly more) sense without it.

Why is blood omen after defiance? I'm pretty sure blood omen 2 is before would reaver 1

Blood Omen 2 can't possibly happen until after Defiance, however - Janos Audron is in the hands of the Hylden, which is how Defiance ends, and at the end, Janos is cast into the demon dimension (along with the Hylden Lord). If this happened before SR1 / SR2, Janos would not have been around for Raziel to talk to in either instance, nor would he have been around for the Hylden Lord to possess and effectively capture in the end of Defiance.

@cartoonglutton326 The soundtrack of this game is generally the same as SR2 as well, despite minor variations. Sorry for the 2 year late response.

Ariel wasn't the Scion of Balance. There is only one Scion of Balance in the Vampire Prophecy and it's the arrival of the first Vampire Guardian of Balance. In Defiance, in one of the murals you can see the Pillars and that there are only eight Ancient Vampire Guardians standing, and the Balance's is empty.

It's true that BO2, timeline wise, falls after BO1 and before SR1 / SR2 - but it's events are not made possible until after Defiance (which ends, timeline-wise, after BO1 and before SR1 / SR2).

also, In blood omen one, if kain would of sacrificed himself that would of been the end of all vampires and the hylden would of won. This was their original plan, but kain knowing that he was the last vampire knew this and refused the sacrifice.

i like intro very much

It would've been nice, but there would have been no point in it really. What they did with SR2's opening (having it start from the end of SR1) worked because at the end of the first game Kain and Raziel were brought together. At the end of SR2 they are split up. I like that they did two 'openings' for both stories and having them follow on after maybe a few hours had passed.

I think it will be added to backwards compatibility on Xbox one be ready .

@smaggegi Definately. You can pick up the story just by playing Soul Reaver, SR2 and Defiance, but I'd recommend playing Blood Omen 1, as well. BO2 isn't really neccessary, but it's still a badass game and explains the Hylden in a bit more depth. Jumping straight in with Defiance won't make any sense.

blood omen two is possible because of a paradox that occurs in soul reaver 2

yeah, sort of... but even the developers aren't certain if BO2 is part of the altered time line or just non-canon since it was made by a different team and have a few inconsistencies (for a change). I love this series even if the story gets all patched with each new game

*pushes glasses up to nose* Actually, BO2's events were influenced by the ending of SR2, not Defiance. I wasn't sure if I was recalling it correctly, so I made a quick search; indeed, it's all over the wiki.

Aside from the clips from the CG in the other games, there is no CG in defiance - there comes a point where CG just isn't necessary, when your engine looks good enough. I think they've reached that point here.

If I remember correctly unless Moebius burned Voradors body all Kain would have to do is reattach his head and he would come back to life.

It's actually a 5-game series, not 3! Blood Omen 1 -> Soul Reaver 1 -> Soul Reaver 2 -> Defiance -> Blood Omen 2. (BO2 was made before Defiance, but its events follow Defiance on the timeline.)

Is that earth in the back at 1:42 i swear i see austraila

It had the story but lacked in gameplay. If it was more Like Gof of War in gameplay it would have had more recognition.

perhaps when you reright time in both Soul Reaver 2 and Defiance you alter it so Vorador never died. or perhaps it is simply some pretending to be vorador

You've never seen Janus Audron have you?

After all this time, I still cant answer the first question.

BO2 is NOT a filler in the storyline, Jesus Christ!! It introduces the Hylden into the story and, as you said, explains why Kain has to stop Raziel from reviving Janos in Defiance. So, you MUST play BO2 in order to understand Kain's objectives in Defiance, but he fails in accomplish them. BO2's events become facts after SR2's ending, it's not an "optional part of the series".

@DiscoBoy001 sorry but you're so wrong :P after the ending of SR2 the events in BO2 DID happen and they DOES make sense in the rest of the story. let me put it this way: at the end of SR2 Kain's memories from his past are replaced by new memories after he saves Raziel from the Reaver, with the knowledge of the Hylden's plans. he didn't know how their plans set in motion, all he knew is they used Janos to do so, so he needed to stop Raziel from resurrect Janos. (continue in the next comment xP)

That's Information Society's "Ozar Midrashim".

Yeah! Kain's back as a playable character bitches!

@neato0z Nah, that'd ruin LoK. Films have a habit of doing that. I want a game set during Kain's rise to power, I wanna game where I can play as Kain as he builds up his empire.

Oof, the frame drops are crazy in the middle of the intro.

@Joudas

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It's funny you mention that, because I don't recall it always being this choppy. It's a 16 year old video, so I might simply not remember, but it's possible this is actually KZread's fault.

@marcus24000 : yes, i aks myself the same question :( Maybe he died when he fell in BO 2 :(( .. that would be bad if it is so :((.. i like him and vorador too :)

How can the last game in the series influence the second cronologically? BO2 was Kain conquering the rest of the world, in SR1 he had finished conquering the world; so cronologically it would be BO1>BO2>SR1>SR2>D. Again, the last events cronologically can't affect the second series of events (even with time travel), because that would create a paradox...

how did you miss this game?? maybe you were too young back then.. lol

Sure, but so was Defiance. The events in Defiance directly lead into the events in Blood Omen 2, this isn't really open for debate. Without the events in Defiance (which were directly enabled by the events in Soul Reaver 2), Blood Omen 2 could not have happened. So, sure, SR2's events lead to BO2's events, but only because SR2's events lead to Defiance. If you disagree, I would love it if you used direct examples from the story to make your case (as I have above to make mine).

BO2 can't happen until the events in Defiance have happened. After BO1, Janos is not alive, which is an absolute requirement for BO2 to take place. For all we know, SR1 may never happen after BO2.

really, i heard that was just a rumour? id still like to play the originals, jst because the franchise looks awesome

@neato0z be careful what you wish for...fking Uwe Boll bought the license :(

how the fuck did i miss this game? im downloading it right now, should i bother with the predecessors?

Michael Bell.

well kain killed sir william with the soul reaver when william had a reaver too same sword 2 different timelines, and the story isn't finished

Were they just too cheap to make a new CG opening?

Best game and story line ever ,blood omen,blood omen 2, soul reaver, sr2 waz shit,blood omen 2 (gameplay waz shit, Defiance why o why havent they made more its got a cult following

Now that's a fucking vampire !! Not the shit ass punks Hollywood throws at us...

I remember being disappointed at this intro as a kid, because it didn't have an amazing CG intro like the other two had. Still pretty good though

@perplexingperceptions8888

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SR1, BO1, SR2, are my favorite LoK intros.

@TheThordir I dare not do that. lol

buy gametasp they have the legacy of kain games on there

dont listen to them dude,just play soul reaver 1,2 and 3,if you wanna play the blood omens later thats up to you,but youll be fine with the storyline with just the soulreavers for now.

How do they stay clean if their allergic to water. I bet they stink like hell.

Sorry about that.

Having spent the day looking up the speculation of the franchise's revival, i couldnt not come here to jizz all over this. This series has the best voice acting, dialogue, vocabulary, and the most convoluted, twisted f'd-up storyline in gaming history.

Pisses me off that for over half a decade Crystal Dynamics has been forced to chug out Tomb Raider games instead of finish up the Legacy of Kain storyline. Seriously are Tomb Raider games selling so much that Eidos and Square-Enix can't think of anything else for them to do? Now the bitch is getting another Reboot with Tomb Raider 2012, didn't we reboot her in 2006 with Tomb Raider Legend?

I hope they re-master this game in H.D for Ps3 i feel sad.

@kyoshiro2323 Computer Generated

i think that whole humans suck as guardians thing is crap. Everything was fine till Ariel died . she was a good guardian

word. the story is epic but the gameplay is blah.