most common mistake with leper is bringing 3 other people with him, they'll just drag him down

@inquisitorthornside3p494

3 жыл бұрын

Unless those are leplers

@DanteMcFlurry

3 жыл бұрын

My man

@annurissimo1082

3 жыл бұрын

Wise words indeed

@DPowered2

3 жыл бұрын

lmao is that true? You can just send him in or is that a meme?

@DanteMcFlurry

3 жыл бұрын

@@DPowered2 it's a meme to send him in on his own, however, with the right stuff and proper knowledge he is like one of the best characters to solo some stuff.

I can count on one finger, the amount of times I have remembered to give the Houndmaster a dog biscuit.

@kingofthejungle5338

3 жыл бұрын

same

@wreckcelsior

3 жыл бұрын

@@kingofthejungle5338 I've had turns start with me saying _outloud_ so as not to forget "dogbiscuitdogbiscuit" and *still* forgotten. cheers King Tiger.

@bongosmcdongos4190

3 жыл бұрын

@@wreckcelsior DUUUUDE. same..

@KingOfShadeEmpire

3 жыл бұрын

*Violent identification*

@kharnthebetrayer8251

3 жыл бұрын

But what if you need it later!?

Another mistake: renaming Dismas and Reynauld

@reesewhittington6778

3 жыл бұрын

Wait people rename the heroes?

@verdanthyborian2322

3 жыл бұрын

@@reesewhittington6778 This is a masochistic game. If you aren't naming your hero's to get attached to them before their eventual death, why even play?

@empirecrumbles615

3 жыл бұрын

you got it all wrong- name 'Reynauld' to 'Reynauld (Alpha)' and 'Dismas (Sigma),' they both work

@brandslav5989

3 жыл бұрын

I just add a "O" to the end of Reynauld and you get Reynauldo

@Drekromancer

3 жыл бұрын

@@empirecrumbles615 Based and grind-pilled

The moss common mistake with Leper is not miss on first turn. Giving enemies the time to fear his majestic oozing body.

@Nubbletech

Жыл бұрын

How about actually using intimidate?

@uwuowo214

9 ай бұрын

​@@Nubbletechunneeded, he's already terrifying

@Nubbletech

9 ай бұрын

@@uwuowo214 fair enough. Though intimate is still More frightening realistically.

Houndmaster: forgetting to give your doggo a Scooby snack.

@XeCtheCasual

Жыл бұрын

Sweet.

@wisemage0

Жыл бұрын

1. Kill Boss 2. See 2 biscuits in inventory 3. Feel like a dumbass 4. Repeat

Why argue plague grenade vs blinding gas, just take 2 doctors and use both.

@ShuffleFM

3 жыл бұрын

Galactic brain

@feferson492

3 жыл бұрын

take 2 doctos and stun twice!

@fatalos6855

2 жыл бұрын

@@feferson492 YOOOOOOOOOOOO

@martim5800

2 жыл бұрын

My PD always runs both skills lol

@yannickgrignon2473

Жыл бұрын

Two plague drs is a dynamite strat, you can have basically the entire enemy team dying in agony by turn like 3

Leper: giving him accuracy trinkets instead of damage trinkets

@ungabungus01

3 жыл бұрын

If you want to gamble with massive hits or plain misses sure

@Rudi4rius

3 жыл бұрын

@@ungabungus01 :^)

@monkiplatts9224

3 жыл бұрын

Focus ring destroys with leper

@Rudi4rius

3 жыл бұрын

MANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN it was a joke holy heck

@f4rhodesia273

3 жыл бұрын

Focus ring +Dismas head if you have a jester is actually a sick combo %. Leper makes the best use of %DMG in the game... Just a shame you usually can't because his accuracy is so low. Ave LESTER

Crusader:Using him only in ruins because he does extra damage against Unholy. Meanwhile he wrecks everything in Cove and Weald.

@TheValiantBob

3 жыл бұрын

Wait he does? How?

@ExtremeMan10

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheValiantBob Good stun, good damage all around, can hit anything and can stress heal/chunk heal in every position. All of these are problem in Cove and Weald because of burst damage and stress that piles up.

@reesewhittington6778

3 жыл бұрын

But the uca and maggots just wall him

@ExtremeMan10

3 жыл бұрын

@@reesewhittington6778 urca beats up every hero apart from flagellant. And maggots cant really kill him due to his health

@jakeypoo5196

3 жыл бұрын

My crusaders never can hit anything

"Don't get greedy, heal sooner" is a godly advice for anyone. While yes, the only hit point that matters is the last one, DD is a game where you can go from full HP to deaths door before you even get a turn yourself in. It's better to heal as soon as you can, because if you think "Oh my crusader still has 25 HP, I'm gonna use my vestal to attack" then he'll get crited, drop to Deaths Door, and might even get bleed or blight and you're out here hoping you can heal him before an enemy attacks him. It's almost always better to heal when you can unless youre 100% certain you can end the fight that turn

@ShuffleFM

3 жыл бұрын

Well said

@olivinator

3 жыл бұрын

even if you can end the fight that turn, it's still a good idea to heal so that he has more health going into the next fight.

@sebastiangibson9671

Жыл бұрын

@@olivinator I think he means if it’s the final fight in the dungeon

@GeraltofRivia22

Жыл бұрын

The inverse is also true though. Obsessively healing instead of just killing the enemy. You heal for 4 hp and then take a 12 damage crit from an enemy you could've killed instead.

@sebastiangibson9671

Жыл бұрын

@@GeraltofRivia22 yeah that true though if you can get your vestal to a point of doing a consist 14 healing then its a net positive healing to just heal however yes its beneficial to at least try to kill one thing per round so if you can and an enemy is like close to death like 5-7 hp its a good idea to zap with your vestal instead of healing

Not going to lie, I still get mad at the leper when I have two accuracy trinkets and he still misses multiple times in a row.

@fecomate2542

3 жыл бұрын

That's luck for you.

@devindameron

3 жыл бұрын

@@fecomate2542 if there is a 1% chance to miss, best believe my leper with 25% extra accuracy in full torchlight is going to miss atleast twice. Lol

@fecomate2542

3 жыл бұрын

@@devindameron yepp. That being the games biggest flaw.

@MightyAlien1221

2 жыл бұрын

@@devindameron funny thing for me is: in all of my playtroughs - my Lepers hit most of the time. Way more than every other hero. Thats because I like to send the enemies flying to another continent or snipe the back row on low hp. Play him with Chop, Purge, Intimidate and the stress heal for stalling and you are good to go. Don't focus on chop and hew. Push the front row back and snipe the low hp targets with intimidate (still does like 3 to 6 dmg) The Leper can stand on his own and has the highest base damage. You don't need him as the main dmg dealer. Even without dmg trinkets he deals insane dmg with his support skills. Build your team around him and don't rely on him. Ince I experienced the potential behind his knockback skill (he basically deactivates the front row enemies and brings the back row into dangerous positions) he became my favourite class and since then, never failed me. In all of my ~300 hours on DD the Leper was never the reason for my overconfidence.

@devindameron

2 жыл бұрын

@@MightyAlien1221 I've never complained about his obviously high damage, his accuracy is literally the worst base accuracy in the game. So much so that even with double accuracy trinkets in full torchlight he still has a large chance of missing in Champion dungeons.

Most common mistake for each hero is it not being a leper. The main mistake for Leper is not worshipping him as the god he is

@dougdimmadome8789

3 жыл бұрын

I have tried contracting leprosy for my Leper cosplay, but my cheap copy could never truly replicate his majesty.

@Daniel-qi3qv

3 жыл бұрын

For Darkest Dungeon 2 I really dont think why redhook felt the need to add other "heroes" aside from maybe being there to worship Leper for the God that he is. We are grateful to be in the presence of such majestic being, Leper is the way.

@GGorsty

2 жыл бұрын

Why the is leper being worshipped Like, only thing he can do is deal damag But why woshipp

@DanteMcFlurry

2 жыл бұрын

@@GGorsty you dare question the Leper and all he offers to the world? It's treason then

@GGorsty

2 жыл бұрын

@@DanteMcFlurry in ordner to accept the leper - tell me what he is good at

There is one thing you should fear, and that is 4 enemies in one turn, all targeting the same hero. Focus Fire. This is what you need to prevent. Not winning, not killing, only focus fire. Killing foes is a way of doing that. Blinding Gas is a very cheap way of getting this done, it borders on cheating.

@crazy10bears

2 жыл бұрын

Bellow + plague grenade. Using blinding gas would be inferior.

a mistake I've done and seen a lot with abomination is running him in slot 1. especially if there isn't anyone else in the party who would work well in that slot. it basically limits you to transforming him. whereas in slots 2 and 3 he has his stun and blight moves, less temptation to transform.

@ddkong021223

Жыл бұрын

I place him in slot 1 only bcoz slot 2 has a faster Hellion.

@wisemage0

Жыл бұрын

Oooh I feel like placing him in slot 1 is what initially led to people overusing transform. In position 1 literally all he can do is transform or cry. Personally, the first 20-ish hours of the game I basically forgot abomination could transform because all I wanted to do was chain-slap and throw up on people. If anything I was under-using transform.

Bounty hunter mistake. Never using caltrops. The speed debuff is actually really good on certain enemies. Caltrops allow for DoT parties to trivialize the thing from the stars.

2:37 "However, if you open with Plague Grenade..." You mean Blinding Gas, no? cheers Shuff.

Leper: he is perfect and needs no team to help him

@daviddiaz5815

2 жыл бұрын

Why is lepper a meme?

I always save The Abomination Transformation for boss battles, his stun is really good with trinkets. I mostly focus on keeping an enemy from attacking with his chain whip attack.

Great list! The only point I disagree with is the blinding gas opening. There's usually two scenarios: 1. Your other heroes have enough dps to bring down at least one backliner on t1. 2. Your plague doc plays a major role in bringing down the backline. In scenario 1, your blinding gas often times stuns enemies who could've been dealt with. That saod, blinding gas is usually good here since your other heroes like flag or hellion can finish off the back row on t2-ish. In scenario 2 though you just prolongues the inevitable for one turn, only the enemy is now very resistant to stun. By using plague grenade on r3+4 first, you allow the enemy one turn, yes. But when you stun them the next turn they take 2 blight rounds compared to the 1 when starting with blinding gas.

@ShuffleFM

3 жыл бұрын

The reason I advocate for it so heavily is because turn 1 is the most important turn in the fight. I'm personally not letting the enemy hit me 4 consecutive times if I can help it, and I'm not letting cultist witch do 20 stress while marking someone for cultist brawler to punch for synergy right after. I'm not letting the spitting pig get extra chances of disease, or cove lepers the chance to pull my backline. Even if the lifespan of the enemies is potentially extended by another turn, you're getting an extra stun out of it because most cohesive teams have the backline down by turn 3, which they will be stunned on and dying on 4 with plague grenade if they do survive. Opening plague is also much worse against stronger backline enemies like skiver because it's harder to do 50 damage by turn 2 than it is to do 30. Spiders are another example. I really value the safety and control of opening stun to protect my teams and set up any other buffs or disruptions I have, but you can probably tell that at this point :P Thanks for the response

@Stukov81-TTV

2 жыл бұрын

@@ShuffleFM Blinding Gas start is pretty good in an unmodded game, i am using Stun rework, and that does change some things quite considerably

@crazy10bears

2 жыл бұрын

@@ShuffleFM All depends on the comp you use. PD's stun would be inferior for me. Spiders are never a problem.

@GeraltofRivia22

Жыл бұрын

This is especially true if you use another hero who can stun in the back line, like Vestal. When I run the 4 OG heroes, I usually open with plague grenade.

My girlfriend recently got the game, and got her ass handed to her so hard. Coached her with the help from these videos and she's already on her way to the first boss :')

@ShuffleFM

3 жыл бұрын

Nice!

@americantoastman7296

3 жыл бұрын

Nice! Love to hear about new people still getting into the game. Makes me think back to my first raids... wasnt pretty ._."

@selfloathingweekly

2 жыл бұрын

@@americantoastman7296 i just got the game and on my 3rd dungeon, my Plague suffered a heart attack, and my Shieldbreaker, one after another. And then only my abomination and Crusader were left and my abomination suffered a heart attack and somehow survived until we retreated and then died, finally my crusader was the only one left and gained the Nervous attribute. :')

@sailed7972

2 жыл бұрын

@Serious Ways grindset

@manuelalonsodominguezvazqu2145

2 жыл бұрын

Nice try! I almost believe you got a girlfriend.

People don't use "Pick to the Face"? That's like, my favorite all-time move, I use it every opportunity I can. Granted, it's not really out of any strategizing or optimization play; I just really like the idea of going up against unspeakable cosmic terrors from beyond the void, with a PICK to the FACE! Also, it seems silly for her to carry that pick around all the time, and not use it.

@sunbro8093

2 жыл бұрын

I prefer to use the move that make her disappear in front line rather than this non damaging pick

@drunk_famasmf5135

2 жыл бұрын

All theese dungeons, all theese bosses, all that loot, and all Grave Robber was doing during this times is playing minecraft

@Lux_the_Lost

2 жыл бұрын

I don't find myself using it horribly often, but it did give me my first win against the Thing From the Stars.

@Bythehandof...

2 жыл бұрын

And it works pretty well too, I did a lot of crits with that in my day!

@DeathwishGamer

2 жыл бұрын

Pick to the face is good for those high Prot, front row enemies, but Grave Robber has a good crit chance which makes her throwing knives good for KO back row squishes before they get a chance.

Vestal: I thought the stun was common because of how op it is? Plague Doctor: Her stuns so op, just spam as much as possible. Hellion: Didn't really know how good bleed out was, just took it as if it bleeds but with a debuff. Grave Robber: Her pick is so op man. Crusader: Personally treat him more as a destresser then a bruiser or if someones on death door, just heal them. Thanks for the tips.

Counterpoint for highwayman : Getting a numerical advantage by straightup deleting an enemy on turn one (except for the tankier enemies) prevents you from taking a lot of damage and it can renders half (or even all) of the enemy backline useless in some cases. So point blank is still a great move for most encounters.

@deidian635

2 жыл бұрын

IMO it's a versatility problem. Opening with HWM in R1 for PBS is an example of: you commited to it and you eat it whether it fits or not. What if a hard tank is at R1 on enemy formation? your HWM R1 is less than stelar and you can't do anything about it. From R2 or even in the backline you have most of the HWM arsenal to use and he can attack any rank allowing to actually prioritize based on what enemy team you got.

@sockpuppermcgee7920

Жыл бұрын

I run HWM with Bounty Hunter, and I use HWM in R1 with max damage. If you can one shot an enemy frontline, enemy R4 slot is locked off and Bounty Hunter can pull a backline towards you. If your other 2 manages to kill that backline enemy, the second backline is now in R2 and can't do shit. It's a really solid strat, and it's why I don't just rely on pistol shot to kill anything really, it just doesn't have the consistent damage that PBS has to me. Consequently I also run Duelist's Advance to keep this strat going in longer fights, incase he needs to or incase I need to use his health as a resource to the max. HWM isn't squishy, but he's not tanky, and both these things don't matter because Duelist's advance does a ton of damage and sets up another PBS.

love the different pics for the individual heros

Are you able to include the ability icons when you do videos like this, I think most new people like myself remember the ability icons not the ability name :)

@ShuffleFM

3 жыл бұрын

Sure :)

One mistake I used to make was bringing Bleeding damage characters in area with enemy resistant to it and Blight damage characters in area with blight resistant enemies.

I used transform on abomination every single combat, but i always use the low stress items and jester in the team, i know is not optimal, but hey, is much more fun to me in that way

@bongosmcdongos4190

3 жыл бұрын

It's a good way to play tbh. He has good crit, and leper level damage.

I'm guessing HM will be forgetting to eat treats

@gewreid5946

3 жыл бұрын

It's less about forgetting and more about wondering when and why to use them. You can only bring two so tend to save them for "that one moment when you really need them"... Using them to secure just one kill always feels like it would be a waste though that is probably what they are there for.

Shuffle, I've been reading though the comments on this video, and your dedication to this community is unreal. Thank you for engaging so much with every person on your channel. It helps me understand your reasoning better, and it really makes this community feel responsive. Keep up the great work, king. 👑

@ShuffleFM

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you :)

I have done these mistakes(Crusader only bruiser) and actually played completely opposite to the mistake(Jester ballad usage). The only thing I would say is with Abomination you get the right trinkets and you can transform for days(I try to aim for this set up when possible), but that could be said of any hero if you have the right trinkets.

@Aodhan_Raith

3 жыл бұрын

Aria box works wonders with him.

One alternative to leading with Blinding Gas (albeit a situational one) is leading with Disorienting Blast because if used on an enemy in Pos 4, they can only end up being brought forward assuming it procs. Other common mistake with Occultist: Massively undervaluing Daemon's Pull and Hands from the Abyss. The high chance preventative healing of his stun and moving enemies out of position is so much better than relying on an inconsistent heal. One other common thing people try to do with Leper is go for a low probability hit on turn one, when a Purge would be both more disruptive to frontliners AND backliners, and it further buffs his ACC. Another common Flage mistake is being afraid of Reclaim because of the self-bleed.

@vojtechkorhon4159

2 жыл бұрын

Hands from Abyss is my favorite ability in the game, since you can consistently stun even the big enemies

@seanc7342

2 жыл бұрын

Another alternative is Plague Grenade

1) Crusader is fine with Leper as long as you're using a self-shuffling team, which is by far the strongest way to use one (Crusader, not Leper). Crusader actually has solid backline access when paired with Shieldbreaker, Highwayman, Man-at-arms, or Grave Robber. And while Leper doesn't really like shuffle-heavy comps, it's better than position-inflexible ones where no one has ways to get behind their Leper without having people pass turns or do multiple move commands (which is almost as bad as passing). 2) I'd argue Crusader is best as a generalist that leans bruiser; even with designated trinkets for healing/stress, they're too weak compared to his damage/stun ability. The ability to swap skills mid-dungeon gives you the freedom to not have to run multiple support skills at once and choosing one that best suits the team's needs. Putting him in the back is a waste of his humungous health pool and above-average move resist. He hits this really unique niche of being a position-flexible character that's literally slower than Leper, which pretty much guarantees that your other shuffler will go first and give you full control over whether you want to double-lunge (Rampart/Lunge/Whatever + Holy Lance) to snipe both backline units or do something else (idk, maybe Vestal outsped Highwayman and stunned the rank 4, so now Highwayman can just knife the rank 3 and Crusader is free to stun a frontliner or something)

@user-hu1nl2vs2d

2 жыл бұрын

4 crusaders. It's just awesome

Tbh I think that HWM is at his most fun when in 1&2. Counterattacking and blasting around the field and slaughtering every thing with crits is so much fun

@turkeygod6665

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. I had two HWM in the front legit just blank shotting back to back against the swine king. We almost died. But damn that was fucking fun lmao

@zacharymorris8608

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Plus HWM has great dodge. Buff that a bit and have a solid healer and you're golden.

@ddkong021223

Жыл бұрын

Antiq Jester HWM HWM Funny but risky

@artificialaceattorney6822

6 ай бұрын

I agree. Using Duelist's Advance with him and Riposte with a Man at Arms helped me clear "We Are The Flame," since with those active, a Priest using Death Lash would get counterattacks from both of them.

I really like these more concise videos you've been doing, they compliment your deeper dives.

I love running Vestal in position 2 with her special trinket, and Flagellant is an amazing hybrid tank/healer/bleeder who can sit in the front 2 spots all year long

Serious play improves and enjoyment since finding your channel Shuffle, thanks!

Vestal: not using bonk vestal

Leper: Party composition that moves him backwards, eventually to position 3 or 4 where there is little he can do for anyone else or towards the fight.

@ANGST.ARGENTINA

3 жыл бұрын

bUt ThAtS lEpErS FaULt!!!

My most common mistake as a player is forgetting to buy torches for a new party- it does not end well...

God I remember when I ran into a Thing from the starts and my GR DIDNT have pick to the face

I've been having great results with Crusader, Highwaymen, Vestal and Plague Doctor, Ill open with Stunning blow, Pistol Shot 2, Judgement, and Disorienting Blast. Stunning the enemy Backline, possibly critting the other to death, Judgment has been treating me as a backline attack and Disorienting Blast stuns. Like your one video said "Battle should be over by turn 4" now my battles rarely go past Turn 5

@bonogiamboni4830

Жыл бұрын

The four starter classes combo well with each other, to the point of having three different party names, one of which being "the usual suspects" and another literally the devs. Who would have guessed? Not trying to be a dick btw, just wanted to make that joke. And yeah i agree, perfectly solid comp.

@clintonclay3158

Жыл бұрын

@@bonogiamboni4830 it's all good. It's been a year since i played though. Might pick it back up.

The number ONE mistake with Hellion is a bad teamcomp with allies that like to dash into first position pushing her back. Jester and his stab, Grave Robber and her lunge attack, Shieldbreaker and her pierce. These guys mostly.

@evanblack20

Жыл бұрын

Her breakthrough is good for getting back to 1 though. I just started but my hellion probably has as many kills as my roster combined. Hits like a truck.

I noticed that your thumbnails have been looking way better recently. This one in particular looks really good!

@ShuffleFM

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. One of my discord mods has been making the important ones for me and they're doing an excellent job :)

Opening with ballad for jester has helped me a lot with him. I used to open with dirk stab so I could rush finale but I’ve been using finale as a panic button more lately. Opening with ballad works really well since I like pairing leper with jester (Lester?) and ballad fixes the accuracy and speed problems on leper. Thanks! :)

I tend to have a vestel act as a stunbot instead of my plague doctor because I like the Frontline stun option, even if I can only stun one at a time. The stun resist on fungal scratchers and artillery in the weald is super low which can save a lot of damage if someone gets marked. (You can replace vestel with abomination if you would prefer as well they hit the same 3 ranks) Don't forget that noxious blast debuffs ACC as well, which if you're not running bloody herb or something you should use instead of incision if you're going for blight.

This is all rock solid advice, good stuff. One of these days ill stop levelling 100 characters to 6 and actually go into the darkest dungeon proper :)

Really informative video. Thank you!

it's so awesome, that you still put content for that game out

@ShuffleFM

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching new content for an old game :)

I have been watching your DD videos for a while now. thanks, I am shocked how new and current some it is for an old game. wow again

Hohoho, man, you REALLY had me going with the Flagellant "Suffer" tip

Nice video! Looking forward to 1 tip for every hero :D

I haven't played DD since February, and I keep telling myself I'll get back to completing my Stygian playthrough - but I still watch these from time to time. I'm definitely guilty of the Arbalest mistake, I mark everything for her because I'm a sucker for those big damage numbers.

0:46 yes, healing is best reserved for when the enemies are already weakened and their DPS is lower than your healing.

I love these videos and your channel, I've all but given up on ever being good at this game but your videos give me hope that one day I'll pick the game up again

@ShuffleFM

3 жыл бұрын

I believe in you

First time DD Player here: I made a lot of these mistakes when I started playing. Especially with the Abomination and the Grave Robber. I kept using transformation with Abom and it absolutely destroyed my team’s stress level, also I never ran pick you the face with GB because I always just overlooked it in terms of her other abilities. And of course, she would be taken into Rank One or Two and barely be able to do anything. Either way, this video helped quite a lot, much appreciated!

@deidian635

2 жыл бұрын

GR jumps herself to R1/R2 when using Lunge: an option for front positions is a must and "Pick to the Face" it's actually really good skill and Shadow Fade is really overkill for minor fights: GR doesn't need to hit ensuring >30 DMG hit at 2 rd cost when at bare minimum she'll CRIT 1/3 doing that in one round and that can be boosted to even greater odds. Keyword: "Ignore PROT". How many guards getttign up to 75% PROT? How many frontline enemies have >40% PROT: Pick melts those enemies For me newbie GR mistake was actually making Shadow Fade an integral part of her gameplay instead of just setting things dead hitting them upfront. As for ABM it really depends on the setup: using his trinket for transform can be done often without stress melting the party. But then you trade it off for his excellent stun in human form and if you set him up for being in human form then transform need to be an emergency skill otherwise stress destroys the party.

First time seeing your videos. Good stuff.

You make some good points. I'll try those tips.

this was very informative. i haven't played the game in a long time because i got frustrated at the rng, but now i kinda want to jump back into it

@ShuffleFM

3 жыл бұрын

Do it! :)

U should add the skill icon and their effects when comparing them… by the time someone memorize the skill by name. They'd already be good enough to even go without the guide.

I've never played this game, but I appreciate your enthusiasm for it. Good video.

this is super helpful. thanks.

I bought the complete edition of darkest dungeon a few months ago and have tried to get into it only to fail. Thank you for this advice! I really want to be better and I just struggle with strategy at times.

@ShuffleFM

2 жыл бұрын

You'll get there!

very helpful for a new player, ty.

Learnt some cool tricks and thoughts here, definitely guilty of first turn plague doctor blighting and only going for Bounter Hunter roflstomping... but also kinda proud of myself that I've figured out a good number of these myself... I absolutely love human abomination coupled with any other blight class :D

Love this list and video! Highwayman: Duelist's Advance hits up to rank 3 from any position it's used in, so imo your strategy works even better starting in rank 2. Open with an Advance on rank 3 (riposte activates), then Point Blank (likely killing the front enemy and pushing you back into rank 2), rinse and repeat. The amount of dmg he puts out with just this combo is terrifying. Flagellant: I totally agree. It's worth noting that Exsanguinate and Redeem have evolved to now have limited uses (3 and 2), so they're more like panic buttons (similar perhaps to the Abomination's Transform)

@soth897

2 жыл бұрын

@O K An exaggeration perhaps, but since that big patch that introduced usage limits, the flagellant has become less useful imo. Used to be fun to try to ride the brink of death with him all the time. Also not really useful in wave-based maps anymore

Great vid!

Leper: Not running 4 Lepers.

the flipping image for your piece on Leper was perfect XD just super sad leper while you basically say "Everybody ask what is Leper doing but never HOW is Leper doing." xD

Shuffle: “With the abomination, you dont need to transform in every fight bruh” Me: uuuummm

Shoofle back at it again

Watched the video, really liked it, but reading through the comments made me subscribe. You have a good channel going, I like it. I really need this advice, I die so much I cry 😢 oh well, guess that is what happens when you are a masochist that chooses Darkest difficulty for your first play through

A nice analysis. Generally agree, although I can definitely see where some of our playstyle differences show (I tend to run DOT-heavy).

I mean the abomination transform always felt like a panic button, I always assumed that was the lore of it.

I don't think there's even a mathematical argument for opening with plague grenade, unless your math is specifically regarding your plague doctor's theoretical dps. When you're trying to min/max the action economy, the "math" pulls blinding gas wayyyy ahead. But I'm glad you mentioned that because I remember telling a friend to open with blinding gas before and they were like "naw gotta start with the blight"

@ayedolla

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, I’m a relatively new player and I thought stacking blight early was nice but I started opening with the blinding gas. Especially when a lot of the times the back two are people who have straight stress attacks I feel like I have (like he said) more control over the whole encounter when I open with stuns. Just one less round of stress or whatever the back ones have

@playmsbk

3 жыл бұрын

It depends on team composition, if you pair PD with high speed characters, especially GR, I can see no use for blinding gas since most of the time the enemy backline will be dead by round 2 having used Max 1 attack. With blinding gas to achieve better results you'd have to have the rest of the team hit the backline on turn 1, actions better reserved for controlling the frontline imo.

If I run Vestal or Occultist with Plague Doctor, the enemies are surprised, & I’m confident I can kill the 3rd or 4th enemy on the 1st turn, then I use plague grenade. If the enemies are not surprised then I use blinding gas. In my experience this is the proper way to use plague grenade over blinding gas.

It's funny how me having been playing darkest dungeon for so long can still be learning a few more thing to get better

I really like Pick to the Face unironically. It is so nice against heavily armoured enemies that are resistant to debuffs like the Thing From the Stars, and when I don’t need it, I just use another move

5:15 Jestal Crus Lep isn’t actually that bad of a team composition, all things considered. You have Dirk Stab, which can reach 3rd, and sets up Crusader for Holy Lance, which can hit 4th, and as you mentioned yourself, there’s also Judgement which can project damage into 4th/3rd, if need be. As for Shieldbreaker, I think she doesn’t quite mesh as well with Leper, at least in 2nd, because she can disrupt Leper’s positioning for Purge or Intimidate, and makes dancing with anyone else in 3rd much harder. 10:54 I’d actually argue that the issue is not marking TOO much, but rather not knowing HOW to Mark. Just as an example, say that the starting turn order has Occultist going before Arbalest, and there’s a stress dealer in the backline. Occultist marks the target, and both it and the debuff land. Then, the Arbalest, with boosted accuracy, damage, and crit from the skill, on top of the Dodge debuff from Occultist, will most likely kill the stress dealer turn one. If the order was reversed, I’d likely go with Suppressive Fire and use Hands instead.

5:00 I like how the worst thibg you can do on Lever is put him in a wrong team... He is my favorite hero - self heal is so good Bounty hunter is cool with Leaper, i think. You can, like, stun enemy or pull him into claws of Leaper.

8:59 this is a weird one because yeah the low health skills are usually saved for last but in longer fights its different. the healing debuff only lasts two rounds so opening with one of them and on round four doing it again. so either open with it or save it for last

Okay but turn 1 bolster is a good always. the -stress is amazing for long dungeons where stress is an issue, and the dodge buff is very nice too. This move gains value the longer the battle goes for, unless you're versing spiders or something bolster is the way to go.

I'm something of a newer player, but it seems I just naturally started using Bounty Hunter, Vestal, and Plague Doctor pretty well. Cool. I did kinda goof up with the other mistakes, though.

I agree so much with Crusader. Some people underestimate Crusader as frontliner just because they didn't deal as much damage as Hellion or not as tanky as Man At Arms. Crusader has so much utility on one character. - damage dealer - tank - stress healer - secondary healer - stun - buff - great camping skill - doesn't worry too much even if he's out of position

The abom tip is so spot on - in fact he's AMAZING in the front row since he can heal and destress himself simultaneously making him a great damage sponge. I disagree with the MaA tip though - especially if you're going for the Dodge buff, at least in the right comp; Getting that evasion up can potentially save you from a lot of grief, again provided your team is built to take advantage of that.

Love to bring the skinny little evil people that lurks behind up to front with Daemon Pull and Dis. Blast. The corpses clearing make them even better.

In regards to bounty hunter its always fun in Butchers Circus to watch them fumble after he ropes the occultist or jester to the front turn 1 and their leper is now in row 3.

Maa Bolster opening is sick when used in synergy with Antiquarian dodge buff on any level. With Graverobber shadowfade opener you are invincible on novice and late veteran missions

I learned the pick to the face rule when I was in that literal situation. All the doge means nothing when you can't fight

I thought that been at 0 means that your resists are debuffed, increasing the chances of Getting bleed from Occ. Having Ok Bleed Resist is something that I always bring with Occ

New Player: these videos have helped me SO much! I learned that Crusader mistake early enough, and took two Crusaders in against the mid-tier Necromancer, and just ran a rotating Holy Lance between the two every turn. It felt borderline broken. Not sure if it will work later, but as I said, these videos helped me teach myself little things like that. So thank you!

@ShuffleFM

2 жыл бұрын

Lance dance is always viable :)

i remember once having graverobber be my lone survivor in the final bossfight in DD2 but i wasnt running pick to the face so i was just drinking absinth over and over (it still had infinite charges back then) because i refused to give up even though it was already over.

Shuffle's fatal flaw is truly forgetting to guard with houndmaster...

You totally should have had a section for Musketeer where you literally just read the exact same script as Arbalest but replaced all instances of the word “Arbalest” with “Musketeer.”

infinite dd content never extinct. Shuffle: YES

THANK YOU!

My personal biggest misyale with houndmaster is using target whistle when i dont need to because i keep forgetting PROT doesnt go into the negatives😅

Can confirm my worst run was leper crusade antiquarian and vestal. Every fight was 10 turns and they all got afflicted.

Weird, I use a ton of Hellions and never gave Bleed Out a chance. I usually run Swan, Break through, if it bleeds, and Yawp.

Very useful info

The biggest mistake about antiquarian is not using 4 of them

@Majster4K

3 жыл бұрын

Chad Quad

Jester: i literally always start with ballad and either keep spamming it or use inspiring tune when someone is on high stress (i only use dirk stab to set up finale and that's my build)