I’m glad y’all appreciate Mexica art but could you maybe give it back to Mexico? Also it wasn’t very cool to imply that the conquistadores were the saviours of anything, and on top of that the Aztecs never thought of him as a god. The gifts they gave him were more of a cultural flex than anything. P.S.: you pronounced Cortés’ name wrong. It’s pronounced “bastard.”

@hueyitlahtoani9242

3 жыл бұрын

I heard that the Aztecs gave the Spanish fragrant flowers to get rid of their scent since the Spanish conquistadors didn't really bathe😂

@jhb1493

2 жыл бұрын

There is always some SJW jacka$$ in these posts, cluttering the place up with their cheap, self-glorifying calls to "return" it to whoever. There are some artifacts that should be returned to their proper origin or owner - this is not one. There are exactly zero reasons to return this particular piece. You seem unclear on the purpose of a museum. But I get the feeling not knowing something doesn't stop you from running your mouth - you just make stuff up. For example, you have no idea what the Aztecs thought of those Europeans. You weren't there, and unless you found Monteczumas' diary with "definitely not gods", you have no way of knowing. Lastly, you seem upset by Cortés, and I really have to wonder why. Was it because he was a brutal, violent imperialist conquering territory and extracting wealth and slaves from those he subjugated? Seems likely - which would be hilarious, because that's exactly what the Aztec were doing, themselves.

@whoahorseywhoa4685

2 жыл бұрын

@@jhb1493 and exactly why not this one ? hmm ? its fine if its on loan .. great... admire it and return it.. only jack ass here is you and a POMPOUS ONE AT THAT !! .... you conveniently forget , if you ever even knew , that thousands and thousands of cultural treasures have been stolen under the guise of archeology ? MEXICO HAS ITS OWN SPECTAURLAR MUSEUMS THAT RIVAL ANY MUSEUM IN THE WORLD, IN QUALITY AND PRESTIGE ! IN FACT NO COUNTRY HAS AS MANY MUESUEMS AS MEXICO ! again you are the only one self glorifying here , you pompous ass..! but it is not just Mexico that has been robbed of its cultural archeological treasures but Egypt and Greece , and so many others.... *** there is a long long history of thievery done by museums and others in Europe and the USA .... how would it feel to have the MONA LISA STOLEn AND TAKEN TO CHINA FOR EXAMPLE , BECAUSE THEY HAVE A GREAT MUSEUM ? OR THE DAVID STATUE TAKEN TO SAUDI Arabia because they are filthy rich and have an amazing muesum ? does that seem fair to you ?

@constantinople777christens5

2 жыл бұрын

The Spanish stopped Human sacrifice and cannibalism. Sorry if that hurts too.

@Fernanda-di8zs

2 жыл бұрын

@@constantinople777christens5 No, they did not. They only replaced those with their own "sacrifices" which were far more cruel (and in the name of God). Have you ever seen the machines they would use?? And, sorry, but cannibalism also happened across Europe. People living in isolated villas would steal children and eat them during harsh winters because there was no food. And what about "burning witches"?? And hanging people in front of crowds?? And having theatres where people could see men getting killed by bears and lions?? Yeah, very civilized. When white people kill is called "progress" but when brown people kill it's called "being a savage". That's racism in History books. Also you don't know anything about the so called "conquest". The Spanish were not trying to save anyone, they just wanted gold in the hope that that would free them from the arabs. They were desperate, dirty, and ignorant people who, in their desperation and ignorance, destroyed the MOST advanced civilization there was at the time. While the europeans were throwing shit onto the streets and getting disgusting diseases, the empires in Mexico had clean and well designed cities with running water, plenty of food and public healthcare. The Mayas invented the calendar you use, they invented the zero and could predict earthquakes; the Aztecs were incredible engineers, astronomers and already knew the things Darwin and Mendel published 300 years later. They created the corn you eat, thanks to them you have chocolate and even bubblegum. They don't teach white kids all this because it would be too humiliating.

Aztecs knew after 10 mins that the Spaniards weren't gods

@Fernanda-di8zs

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly!!

@S.M.Mer0

2 ай бұрын

Oh stop it, no one knows

Not sure why they keep saying its scary or immediately reminds of death, it seems just fine to me like any animal represenation on other works of art. Also, the double headed snake was also present in other areas, there's European bracelets, I wonder if they apply the same speculative symbological meaning to those.

@theguardowl

2 жыл бұрын

Death plays a huge roll in spiritual thought and theory of the Ancient Nahua/Azteca people (my ancestors), it results in a chain of command of sorts based on how you died...that would determine which of the after life and under world "dimensions" you would end up at. That After Life/Under World is called Mictlan. Today the most embraced aspect of Mictlan growing all over the world is today know as La Santisima Muerte/ Holy Death a.k.a. Mictecacihuatl.

@Tlahuiltezcatl

Жыл бұрын

Facts

@paulstacey7814

Жыл бұрын

because when you think meso-american you are supposed to think human sacrifice and nothing else

All these pieces belong in #Mexico!!!

@gabyontiveros7753

5 жыл бұрын

Entérate que más arriba en los comentarios está un mexicano desgraciado ofreciendo unas piezas el muy infeliz

Great and very interesting documentary! Goes directly into one of my playlists. Many thanks for sharing!

Absolutely beautiful and stunning.... however...why does Britain museum showcase this piece of art and not Mexico 😱😱😱

It feels like they are just making up meaning guessing at "death" meaning of teeth.

@user-ig6bk6ym3m

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Just like they say these old civilizations all did human sacrifices when there is no proof of it. They said that a bust of a man's head meant they chopped his head off, not a statue to memorialize him. Just make up stuff because the don't [want to] understand.

Thats nice... It would be even more nice if my people were given these stolen relics back.

@jhb1493

2 жыл бұрын

Your people hey? We have international laws that govern the recovery of stolen and looted art. Go sue for their return. Except you can't. Because these didn't wind up in the Museum because they were stolen. And there is no "my people" to return them to. The Mexican State is not the direct inheritor of the Aztec. It's shocking to me how many morons there are who just want to complain about made-up nonsense rather than be GLAD that these treasures are safely kept, available to all, shared with the world, and cared for by world class conservators. It seems to me like THAT might be something you'd appreciate if these truly were created by people you feel some connection to.

@NativeTexMexican

2 жыл бұрын

It must really suck to not know where you come from and have no culture other than taking from others. I speak and understand my native language and I know the history of my people. Anything from my culture in European hands was stolen.

@tothelighthouse9843

2 жыл бұрын

@@jhb1493 Yours is exactly the kind of ignorant reply I'd expect from someone who dismisses looting as if it isn't how the British Museum & other western museums 'acquired' so many of the treasures of other cultures. If you'd paid attention, you'd know the video itself (as well as other scholars) suggest the two-headed serpent could very well have been among the objects obtained by Cortes as he ransacked and destroyed the Aztec empire, brutally murdering & enslaving tens of thousands of Aztec and Indigenous people. Of course Cortes plundered in the name of Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (who was also King of Spain, Archduke of Austria, Lord of the Netherlands, Duke of Burgundy, head of the House of Habsburg & ruler over half of Europe including parts of Italy). From there, whatever of the countless priceless artifacts weren't destroyed for their valuable materials (so much for your 'world class conservators' in western nations, lol) began to be bought & sold by various wealthy Europeans. The British Museum purchased the serpent in 1894 through Lord Walsingham who facilitated the transaction for a formerly wealthy Italian family who had possession of the serpent. Details were kept murky, which was the usual practice of the British Museum when purchasing priceless works of art & history that were likely stolen or looted from their country of origin. The BM acquired the spectacular Aztec turquoise 'Mask of Xiuhtecuhtli' (which is also widely believed to have been taken by Cortes & delivered to Charles V) at roughly the same time & in much the same murky way. Also, just fyi it's highly unusual that this serpent (& the Mask of Xiuhtecuhtli) survived, because another usual practice among the western art world at the time was to have priceless works like this torn apart for their gold & valuable stones so that new pieces could be constructed. That was actually the destiny of almost all the priceless Aztec turquoise works of art looted by Cortes. So really, enough with your ridiculous 'The European & British thieves kept the treasures safe! You should be thankful". The British Museum is a thief organization doing thief organization things. The beautiful works from the Mexican peoples' ancestors & predecessors belong in Mexico.

3:14 im lUGHING they said the same destroyers are the saviors of the serpent ahahahahah

The second part of this video and the closing statement make their speculations fair, I think. Basically, we are looking at these objects out of context -it's essentially impossible for us to find the real lens with which to see these things and so we have some of the right questions, but thats about it.

Descendent of a headhunting tribe. Our ancestors were said to have been shape shifters that survived a flood and there elders that taught them how are bound and forever punished to the 4-corners of the world, our way of saying beyond the veil. A double headed serpent was said to have rose from the river and erected 4 poles for man to hang his first walls, build the first long house upon, somewhere man could write his own story. The nobles or eldest sons were initiats to what is always described as a secret society, initiates of the Wildman. A ritual to be possessed by the spirit of a giant man-eating cannibal -- Baxbakwalanuksiwe. His story is only told during red cedar winter ceremonies. A giant man eating cannibal with an eagle mask placed on there 3rd eye with slave/pet mythical man-eating birds is looking down at us from the spirit world bestowing rights and artificacts to purify the world.

@LucianCorrvinus

2 жыл бұрын

In most cases cannabalosm and head hunting had very important spiritual reason and meanings. As a dependant of Mezo people I always come across this elitist pronouncement our ancestors did these things because of barbarism and savage natures. They refuse to shelve personal judgement and discount the same sorts of things that they have in the past of their people. Especially in cases of colonialism or the noble savage views that happened in scientific circles around the Victorian, perhaps even earlier. Also the snake or serpent wasn't always a maligned creatur. In the times before Christian feminization, the serpent was seen as Sacred, Children of Mother Earth..used in temples,given difference, emblematic of wisdom, medicine, prophecy, fertility, and power. In fact there were places that snakes would be left bowls of milk in villages and cities. Seen as helpmate, good omen, and treasured by the populace. Let them call our forebears what they will, but remind them of thier own unaccepted problematic pasts. None has a tight today to measure our histories and stories by what they say they were not the same nature in thier's...

@hamatsa_

Жыл бұрын

@@LucianCorrvinus excuse me? I made no such assumptions about my own culture. Where does barbaric or savage from to purify? I do not think its barbaric or savage. The initiation of the Wildman is about taming and self control, the cannibal spirit that possesses you, its about not being controlled by anger or sadness. Shapeshifting isn't limited to your appearance. It was a secret society for future leaders.

I think it means the duality of oneness...? They didn't believe in good or evil like in the west. To them it was all one spectrum, light and dark. Many of their Gods always had a counter good, such as Qeutzalcoatl the and Xolotl. They believed all ones were essential different aspects of a single God

@riv6580

5 жыл бұрын

BeFoRe1690 not god, but you get it

How on earth did they steal this thing? It belongs in Mexico.

@Tigerrun

5 жыл бұрын

Frank Dalla They didn’t steal it. The item was given as a gift.

@frankdalla

4 жыл бұрын

@@Tigerrun OK, but thats what they all say about nearly everything...

@user-xb9hb9rt8t

4 жыл бұрын

@@Tigerrun no it wasnt

@LucianCorrvinus

2 жыл бұрын

Spoils of war...obvi..

@Chris-from-AZ

Жыл бұрын

Montezuma headdress Is stolen too And they won't give that back either

lol. The British don't know where they got it? lol!!! Come on guys, you can figure this one out.

my interpretation is it represents infinity and polar opposites/yin & yang.

The. Massacred.

Nice.

So the meaning of exploring is murdering raping and stealing

Why is not in Mexico 😡😡😡😡

@DerekDerekDerekDerekDerekDerek

5 ай бұрын

Because it was bought in a pawn shop...

@robertomoreno5526

Ай бұрын

​@@DerekDerekDerekDerekDerekDerek hot goods is what your saying.

I think they don't know...because it's a dragon...

Thank you

I understand how Austria has certain objects, but the British?? At least Mexico has many connections with the Habsburgs, but other than the Empress Carlota of Mexico being Queen Victoria of the United Kingdom’s cousin, why are these artifacts there??

chilling

@pamelatalbot1803

6 жыл бұрын

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Definitely not lost culture, very much alive. We don’t know what happened because the Spanish won’t tell us lol

The meaning of good and bad Evening out

they need to be in mexico america aka turtle island

I say we protest to get the artifacts back

Give them back!

@mrjohn.whereyoufrom

2 жыл бұрын

Who too? The civilisation it came from no longer exists!

@Ivan-Manzo

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrjohn.whereyoufrom the Nahua people are still here, the ethnic group never died.

@DerekDerekDerekDerekDerekDerek

5 ай бұрын

​@@Ivan-Manzoit wasn't stolen.

I've got a tattoo of this serpent. Though, my reason for getting it is a video game which features the image and symbol. haha

@riv6580

5 жыл бұрын

Ashlyn S. Hibbs well now you know it’s true meaning! 💕

@umberto46sletsplays

Жыл бұрын

Fahrenheit right?

They didn’t give anything to him, and they definitely didn’t think he was a GOD.

@jhb1493

2 жыл бұрын

Wow that's great Lucy. Can you please the time machine you obviously must have to go back and answer other questions for us? Or are you just pulling BS out of your A$$?

Stolen! This belongs to the Mexican People

@dannydano8072

6 жыл бұрын

Sorry but the Aztecs lost. I'll only add that other peoples who inhabited what is now Mexico assisted in the destruction of the Aztec nation and their cultural artifacts. You should be grateful that this piece was saved from the general conflagration. Instead you say that this piece was "stolen" . Prove it.

@franciscocontreras3934

5 жыл бұрын

ignore this idiot on the bottom may he is british only to steal your stuff

@delivert93

4 жыл бұрын

Pendejo.

@hueyitlahtoani9242

3 жыл бұрын

@@dannydano8072 it was stolen whether the Aztecs lost or not😂😂😂did they give it to the Spanish? No the Spanish conquistadors saw it as a prize for what they achieved and stole it from the people. Whether other groups of natives helped the Spanish fight the Aztecs is irrelevant to what we're talking here since it's talking about STOLEN artifacts.

@jhb1493

2 жыл бұрын

@@hueyitlahtoani9242 Uh no. You can't have your cake and eat it, too. The Spanish marched in and took over. It's ugly, but "conquest" is a thing, and it's regarded as legal. You can't "Steal" something if you march in and take over the entire country and eradicate the former ruling class. How do you think the Aztecs ran THEIR empire? Hugs and kisses? And how do you think modern Mexico came in to being? Force. Military force. Is modern Mexico "legal"? If yes, then so was the Spanish conquest of Mexico. All these fools complaining about "this was stolen" are really more interested in feeling noble and getting social media points than understanding how the world works - and how it always worked.

And no the history we know about supposed conquista is all wrong.. it was more of a civil war rather than a conquest.

The fact that this is in a british museum and not in mexico where it belongs is disgusting.

the spanish stole it because they took the best art, goods like cocao, gold, and destroyed everything else.

@jhb1493

2 жыл бұрын

Just like the Aztecs did to their victims? The Spanish had to work hard to compete with the horror show which was the Aztec Empire.

. North American, Aztec,Inca,Mayan, they all were Indians. Scattered tribes within different ages. Maybe if u get the artifact back to the spot it was stolen from u perhaps could find out more info??

thank you for finally lifting a finger to undue the damage caused by your cultural thefts

Back all to Mexico and Guatemala!!

@perenganito5695

8 ай бұрын

Aztec thing's are not from Guatemala

@melissatf5268

7 ай бұрын

@@perenganito5695 then dont back any shit, you can keep it if you want 😅

Ah yes, such a lost culture... So lost that Mexico city is one of the largest metropolises in the world!!

Return the pieces where they belong.

give it back to its country

These Experts make claims that are not true such as all Aztec art has Snakes in it how can they make such a wide claim so itv makes one think what else have they Dreamed up to make their fable fit together? Personally all over the world snake worship a lot of the time has been connected with Blood Sacrifice Murder of the Mass's enemies and some times their own people like the poor virgin's of the tribe. I wounder if their a connection to the Giants as some subject and even the Fallen Angel Tails that could tie in all the unexplained massive fine stone work together? It seems it may be coming from the same place weather you call them Aliens fallen angels anauki from Nimbura only God really knows at this time. But I feel lead more to think that due to all the Blood letting it stems from a old Satanic type of cult that moved west before the time of the great flood its now thought that some of these old Gods were the fallen ones from days of old its thought that they had the ability to fly and shoot beams of destruction don't know? On the day of a great awaking when the doors too the Abiss is opened and the Hoards of the Arrmys of Darkness Will as send out of the pit their will no longer be a question we will see the demons first hand dragging our friends and loved ones down into the darkness their will only be one way to be save and thats to have your name written in the book of life. As the greatest story ever told it can save your soul from the obiss so you don't end up with the lost souls Humble your self and ask him in to your heart if you still think this is a fairy tale ask him to open your eyes your ears ur heart ask and it will be given only one man ever in the history of the World has the power to bless you with his holy forgiveness We who fall in to the darkness or all who have been born into sin witch we all are will fall into the darkness unless we seek the good news of the Christ . thank you for taking the time to read this time is getting short seek and you will find ask and you will receive THANK YOU TO ALL. AND TO ALL THE HATERS i DON'T HAVE ANY MORE TIME TO RESPOND TO YOU HATE OR FOOLISH CRYS FOR ATTENTION I JUST DON'T CARE IF YOU HAVE SOLD YOU SOUL I HOPE YOU ENJOYED THE RIDE FOR ITS ALL MOST OVER MY REWARD IS STILL COMING I HOPE YOU GET TO SEE WHAT ALL YOUR HATE HAS BROUGHT.YOU IS IT WORTH TO OWN THE WORLD ONLY TO LOSE ONES SOUL IN THE END REMEMBER ETERNITY IS A REAL LONG TIME HOW LONG CAN YOU STAND ON A HOT PLATE BARE FOOTED CAN YOU WALK ON FIRE YOU BETTER LEARN QUICK EVEN THE FIRE WALKERS CAN ONLY GO FOR SO LONG FAST NO ONE JUST STANDS THEIR SITS THEIR OR HAS HISREST THEIR BUT THATS WHAT AWAITS THE LOST (R) (U) (SAVED) ITS OFFERED TO ALL . HELL WAS NOT MEANT FOR US IT WAS MADE FOR SATAN AND HIS CREW ITS A CLUB NO ONE SHOULD EVER WANT TO ATTEND Even if you sold your soul for rock and Roll or Fame their is still time to ask for help their is no need to stay in a bad situation even Oozy could get out if he had a mind to Madonna mick Paul Ringo and so on all its said they have all sold their very soul for rock and roll life style starting at the cross roads with Robert Johnson and bye the end of his life he was said to be barking like a dog on the floor of a rooming house were he died crap Dillon admitted to it.

@jorowe9323

9 жыл бұрын

shut the fuck up crying like a little bitch...its a history documentary

return all those artifacts back to Mexico !! they better be there on loan only!!

i have some very intersting pieces anybody interested.

Not master piece Stolen PIECE 😒🐍👁️✌🏾

Has to be returned to its rightful people.

Also it does not translate to feathered serpent lol

@williamvasquez1677

2 жыл бұрын

What is the exact translation then?

Aztec art are creepy.

@gonzalogarcia7259

4 жыл бұрын

You crazy dude

@newmind4850

3 жыл бұрын

Not as Europeans.

Ok now its time to give back whats ours. ..

Nover thought he was a god they where killing native for months before they made it to the Aztecs. The Aztecs We're giving him things so they can leave...but they wouldn't.