0072 Unboxing and testing a brand new 27 year old laptop

Ғылым және технология

In this retro hobby we're all used to working with computers or hardware that's already had a long life of use by a previous owner. This means things are often worn out from use or neglect.
So when given the opportunity to relive the experience of opening a brand new item, it's hard to say no to the opportunity.
So here we have a brand new laptop from 1996 -- let's check it out and see how it fared stored away for 27 years.
-- Video Links
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Elenco Electronics LP-560 Logic Probe:
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Hakko FR301 Desoldering Iron:
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TL866II Plus Chip Tester and EPROM programmer: (The MiniPro)
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EEVBlog 121GW Multimeter:
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Universal ZIP sockets: (clones, used on my ZIF-64 test machine)
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RetroTink 2X Upconverter: (to hook up something like a C64 to HDMI)
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--- Links
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--- Instructional videos
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--- Music
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  • @ashward1979
    @ashward19797 ай бұрын

    The great thing about Doom is that it doesn’t even need a sound card. If you’re of a certain age then the soundtrack automatically plays in your head anyway!

  • @dschult3

    @dschult3

    7 ай бұрын

    My daughter (She is 6.) yells, "DOOM!" every time she hears Master of Puppets! 😂

  • @Loki-

    @Loki-

    7 ай бұрын

    Duke Nukem soundtrack started playing in my head when you said that. Blasted confused brain!

  • @oscarcharliezulu

    @oscarcharliezulu

    7 ай бұрын

    Damn that’s true !

  • @slaapliedje

    @slaapliedje

    7 ай бұрын

    There are a few I recognize right away. Doom is one, but it doesn't stick in my head. The ones that do are Pitfall II, Bubble Bobble and Popeye. Great, now a mish-mash of those are going to loop in my brain...

  • @ivanfangio

    @ivanfangio

    6 ай бұрын

    Hahahahahaha😂

  • @bubonzo
    @bubonzo7 ай бұрын

    Hey Adrian! Could you dump that PCMCIA Cardwizard diskette, please? Early versions of that software are not really around, So it can be potentially something useful or rare. Thanks! And, yes, thank you for a great video, as usual :)

  • @ReinaldoRauch

    @ReinaldoRauch

    7 ай бұрын

    they`re in the comments

  • @agentmith
    @agentmith7 ай бұрын

    I always use the tip of a mechanical pencil without the lead in it to straighten CPU pins. It’s the perfect size and allows for precision tweaking.

  • @Runco990

    @Runco990

    7 ай бұрын

    Wow... neat tip! 👍

  • @andrewbarnard3229

    @andrewbarnard3229

    7 ай бұрын

    I do that too!! Works great 😅

  • @michaelcoll433

    @michaelcoll433

    6 ай бұрын

    Yup! I discovered that oh so long ago out of desperation.

  • @thedopplereffect00

    @thedopplereffect00

    6 ай бұрын

    .5, .7, or .9 mm?

  • @ironcito1101

    @ironcito1101

    6 ай бұрын

    @@thedopplereffect00 I'd say 0.5 mm is closest, but I'd wager any of them works fine. Nothing rotates, so as long as you can do leverage and not collide with the neighboring pins, it'll do.

  • @apfanco
    @apfanco7 ай бұрын

    That laptop’s actually got one of the really nice screens from the day. That thing is loaded.

  • @suvetar

    @suvetar

    7 ай бұрын

    Yeah it's nice for its age - I just find myself automatically reaching for my screen wipes 😀

  • @crisdifilippo8876

    @crisdifilippo8876

    7 ай бұрын

    I LOL'd when Adrian said it wouldn't work outside...I can't remember any laptop/notebook from the 95-97 era that you could use outside...In fact I think I remember screen shades even being not just a thing but a necessity back then, and having to setup your office so you weren't in direct sunlight if you were a notebook user. Laptops sucked back then, but it was what we had and we were happy for them. I am so glad that we have made it to where we are today.

  • @owlstead

    @owlstead

    6 ай бұрын

    Yep, the passive matrix ones were at least 3 times as bad. I'd not sell those as I worked at Gateway, and it just stood out too much. You would buy a cheaper B-brand with an active matrix one I suppose - possibly this one :) I remember we had one one with passive and the one with active display, and we simply hid the one with passive matrix behind the pillar that held the shelves.

  • @henkholdingastate

    @henkholdingastate

    6 ай бұрын

    And compare that keyboard with the modern junk that gives almost no feedback... I think back with nostalgia, just because of this

  • @deano023
    @deano0237 ай бұрын

    I owned a 90s laptop and had friends who also had similar and I can tell you that is the way they used to sound and look. Tinnie sound and dim blurry screens was absolutely the norm from my experience.

  • @Colaholiker
    @Colaholiker7 ай бұрын

    The second I saw the box, I knew exactly what the laptop would look like. Back when they were new, I worked at a computer store, and like yours, they would come "bare bones" (no CPU, no RAM, no harddisk) and complete them to customer specs. I probably could still install a CPU in one of those while being blindfolded... We had a few corporate customers back then who ordered them in bulk for their employees.

  • @CATech1138

    @CATech1138

    7 ай бұрын

    bulk...ugh....i once had to assemble and load 71 identical P5-100 mini towers...still have an occasional nightmare where i'm lost in a maze pushing shopping carts full of computer parts around....

  • @kbhasi

    @kbhasi

    7 ай бұрын

    I imagine the corporate IT departments bought such ODM laptops to save money compared to buying stuff like IBM ThinkPad 500 or 700 series, Toshiba Satellite or Satellite Pro 400 series, or Compaq LTE 5000 series.

  • @Colaholiker

    @Colaholiker

    7 ай бұрын

    @@kbhasi that's most companies here in Germany for you. The people in charge have no clue what they are doing and will always decide for the cheapest option. Just yesterday, I learned that the IT department of my current employer now wants to upgrade our monitors from 22" to 27". For cost reasons, they did not go for monitors capable of displaying 4k tho - they will be full HD like the ones we use now. 🙄

  • @kbhasi

    @kbhasi

    7 ай бұрын

    @@Colaholiker Oh! They were in Germany! Ouch. I was thinking of the US. 27" monitors but 1080p. Ouch, that sounds cheap, like when I attended secondary school in Singapore in 2011. At the time, the MOE had launched the first iteration of SSOE (which used Windows Server 2008 R2 and Windows 7 Enterprise) and when it rolled out to the school I attended, I noticed that they or the individual school IT departments decided that schools should have 18.5" 1366×768 monitors with their education model ThinkCentres. They were a bit of a pain to run modern software on (because I could only fit 1 app on the screen at a time and the Windows 7 taskbar that I couldn't hide because IT locked out access to Windows settings), but they're great for retro software from before developers made their UI elements huge, especially if they had 4:3 aspect ratio modes to allow them to replace 15" XGA LCD monitors. I was also reminded of when I had to borrow a monitor from my stepdad when I stayed with him for a while, as it was a BenQ monitor that was a 27" 1080p but I can't remember the model number. To cut a long story short, I returned it to him when my sister bought a used LG L246WHX (which was basically high-end for 2008, if I recall correctly) from an auction at the company she worked for in 2018 and it was an improvement as it has a tolerable pixel density and resolution.

  • @ultrametric9317
    @ultrametric93177 ай бұрын

    We in high level support (we wore many hats) got to deal with the brand new Toshibas and Thinkpads that were dealt out to the execs and the sales force. I always loved setting up machines for the sales guys, but the execs were usually jerks and high maintenance. But man was it fun to play with a $5000 laptop in the 90s! My first laptop was a used Toshiba Tecra 8000 I got for $500. I used that with Windows 98 up to 2004, then I got a new Thinkpad A31p (Pentium 4). That was just heaven. I used that thing for 8 years. It got replaced by a Thinkpad W520 and I'm still using that one!

  • @lucasrem

    @lucasrem

    6 ай бұрын

    Me, 1995 ICT guy, just fresh out of school, i always got the fancy Toshiba models, needing the Pentium and GTX card models. All $ 10k models, normal Toshiba ThinkPad was only $4 k. This 'Medion ALDI' Taipei Laptop was only $1k Why service i cheap laptop in 1996 ? Trash it please

  • @s.guttmann6625

    @s.guttmann6625

    6 ай бұрын

    Any chance you still have the recovery OS for the Toshiba 8000? I'd like to revive mine with Win 98

  • @daffyduk77

    @daffyduk77

    3 ай бұрын

    @@s.guttmann6625 Can you not load W98 off a standard W98 CD, & get any necessary drivers via eg. Driverscape ---> Tecra 8000 using "sneakernet" (USB stick)

  • @retropuffer2986
    @retropuffer29867 ай бұрын

    "New old stock." Music to the ears of a retro enthusiast!

  • @scottlarson1548
    @scottlarson15487 ай бұрын

    I liked the parade of heatsinks even though it was for naught.

  • @hobbified
    @hobbified7 ай бұрын

    That carry case is gorgeous. I was 12 or so in the mid-90s and I was absolutely sure that having a laptop with a PCMCIA modem and a leather carrying case was what it meant to be a professional.

  • @thomaslechner1622

    @thomaslechner1622

    6 ай бұрын

    lool

  • @JoeCdaYT
    @JoeCdaYT7 ай бұрын

    One of the things I remember for laptops of that era was that the controls for display, audio and other functions did not always work without having drivers installed. Some laptops of today do that but not as common. I had a Micron version that even had the rolling fingerprint scanner off to the right of the keyboard. The display was always a little on the annemic side for images but they did the job. It was never an expectation to be able to use the laptop outside. I got the experience to use Itronix Laptops since my Dad had worked there. They did better in outside usage and also the keyboards did not melt. They tested for that with their own heating oven with the laptop running and holding the temp at 120F. Then they would switch the temperature all the way down to -15F to do extreme cold testing. Then it was onto the cycling test. That showed bad solder joints nicely. Primary purchasers of these laptops was Military and government services. They did the job and lasted. Cooling of the processor was handled by it being pressed to the magnesium case under the keyboard and the whole case would warm up from it. You could even drown the laptop while running with all service doors closed and it would keep working for the most part. Interconnect board did not like being wet and having high voltage present to run the display.

  • @recursiveidentity

    @recursiveidentity

    7 ай бұрын

    Yes to the point that the Windows installer had an option to use a floppy disk to install drivers lol!

  • @aedinius
    @aedinius7 ай бұрын

    My parents had this laptop!!! I've been trying to find another one for years! I think they tossed theirs and I'm really sad about that. I'm glad you found one, it was honestly a great computer from what I remember. That said, yours has the better screen...

  • @mrfrenzy.

    @mrfrenzy.

    7 ай бұрын

    You could probably buy one yourself, sounds like the person who sent it to Adrian has more.

  • @rogerk6180

    @rogerk6180

    2 ай бұрын

    Send him an email, maybe he can ask the guy if he has more and can put you in contact with him.

  • @rubberduck4966
    @rubberduck49667 ай бұрын

    CF Cards usually dont support multi sector transfers if they are not DMA capable

  • @BlueBarnTech
    @BlueBarnTech7 ай бұрын

    Watching you open this brings back so many memories. I was running an ISP/computer repair shop in high school in 96. We got so many of these big honkin' laptops on trade-in from people who wanted a desktop.

  • @cleaverbrad
    @cleaverbrad7 ай бұрын

    My dad had a Micron from this era. He let me borrow it and I installed Slackware on it. It ran great, the screen was nice and the keyboard seemed pretty good. It seemed to be a much higher quality build. He was a school administrator so maybe they had a little money to spend. I loved it.

  • @LatteLover
    @LatteLover7 ай бұрын

    I feel like a kid Xmas morning just by watching😊

  • @Avi8tor857
    @Avi8tor8577 ай бұрын

    Speed isn't automatically set you have to adjust the multipliers in the bios (possibly jumpers depending on design). The screens on most of this generation laptops were not great new.

  • @JohnnyG10178
    @JohnnyG101787 ай бұрын

    I think that device is fine, we're just spoiled these days and cant remember how crappy stuff was back then.

  • @xephorce
    @xephorce7 ай бұрын

    yes I can testify that pirateship is a great shipping option

  • @wackyworldofwindios3476
    @wackyworldofwindios34767 ай бұрын

    Congratulations on becoming a full time YouTub-er.

  • @Keullo-eFIN
    @Keullo-eFIN7 ай бұрын

    Laptops (like phones) used to be way more interesting back in the day. Modern ones are more or less from the same mold.

  • @walterlegere1403

    @walterlegere1403

    6 ай бұрын

    Perhaps, but modern systems are much more end user friendly then the older systems. You saw how much trouble and time it took him to just simply set up the sound. You could rarely use one of these older DOS based laptops right out of the box. The software set ups were much more involved and complicated with autoexec.bat and config.sys issues, IRQ conflicts and constant software compatibility issues even on platforms like Windows 3.0. I honestly don't miss those days at all and am glad PC technology has advanced beyond all that nonsense but, having said that, the issues with Windows 11 feels like the industry is reverting back to the old days. I still have a system that is running Windows 7 because it was such a stable OS and very easy to use. My first system was an Everex Step Intel 386 DX-20 massive tower with 512MB of RAM and an 800MB hard drive. It came with a Zenith 15" flat panel monitor, keyboard and mouse and cost almost $3000.

  • @Channel567-7

    @Channel567-7

    5 ай бұрын

    @@walterlegere1403Don’t agree. Many things today are software dependent upon ‘updates’, then things break! Many items were baked in and mission specific, like phones.

  • @walterlegere1403

    @walterlegere1403

    5 ай бұрын

    @@Channel567-7 To a point ,you're right but come on, how easy is it to go to Wal-Mart, buy a phone, pop in the SD card, register the number and you're off and running. I purchased a legacy desktop PC from E-Bay, opened the box, hooked up a monitor, keyboard and mouse, plugged it in and it worked flawlessly right out of the box. My main desktop motherboard died. I ordered a used one off E-Bay, installed it and the system booted up and worked like it always did before. See what I'm getting at here?

  • @tigheklory
    @tigheklory7 ай бұрын

    I have my Dad's old Sharp Laptop that he used for his Matco Tools business, It's design is so similar to that laptop. The hinges where just fine back in the day but they are super stiff now and it even cracked the plastic when I opened it last.

  • @kelvinstokes996
    @kelvinstokes9967 ай бұрын

    The cost estimate that I used to give in the '90s was "laptops cost 2.5x what comparable desktops cost, while offering half the screen size. Only buy one if you absolutely need portability."

  • @BollingHolt
    @BollingHolt7 ай бұрын

    My first laptop was one of those generic ones that looks a LOT like that one (branded as Ultra, had that LCD panel between the hinges and same place and size for a brand sticker... I bet it's the same company!), a 486SLC-33, in 1995. I was the first (and only throughout my high school career) student at my school to bring a laptop to school for note taking when I was in the 9th grade. That's how I learned to use Excel so I could keep an accurate grade average for each one of my classes each time an assignment was handed back to me. The screen was black and white and I believe passive matrix, but that didn't stop me from playing Doom whenever I had a chance ;) Once 11th grade rolled around and I upgraded to a Toshiba Satellite 205CDS, I was able to plug into each classroom's ONE Ethernet jack. I remember buying a RAM upgrade for it during class one day as well as downloading MP3s when they first started becoming popular... 1997-98 I believe. Good times...

  • @wilfredpayne433

    @wilfredpayne433

    5 ай бұрын

    Laptops back then were a brand new technology.... things were just getting small enough to really have a laptop in the way we think of them now.... no one really knew what a laptop should be yet either... didn't know that latches, hinges etc needed to be more robust...they were meant to be more word processor and do regular computer things in a pinch type machines still....I'm just amazed that it's in such good condition...I remember most used machines had been "customized" quite a bit, after the movie hackers people were actually spray painting their laptops 😂 to the point that the keys would stick 😂 one laptop I think they should make a serious water resistant and tough case for is the tough books and similar models...they would be absolutely indestructible...not very fast but you could probably beat a bear into submission with it then finish it off with your Nokia cell phone 😂

  • @BollingHolt

    @BollingHolt

    5 ай бұрын

    @@wilfredpayne433 Yes, indeed!

  • @andrewlittleboy8532
    @andrewlittleboy85327 ай бұрын

    I expect that the LCD is perfectly normal for that era. It's unlikely the tubes are bad it's just how the were back then and we're used to modern screens. You can adjust the gamma of doom in the configuration file. It's always set too low imo.

  • @mikemoyercell

    @mikemoyercell

    7 ай бұрын

    you are exactly right. they were all like that and CCFL lamps do get brighter as they warm up.

  • @billienomates1606
    @billienomates16066 ай бұрын

    It so amazing to see these specs on a laptop in this day and age. I worked for IBM from the late 70's and ended up as the Customer engineering logistics analyst for the U.K.. I was solely responsible for maintaining supplies of PC stock through out all the customer engineering field stores in the UK. Having this position allowed me to order anything I wanted from the main European and U.S. manufacturing sites and have it shipped to the UK. At the time I had made my self a cutting edge pc for the office which I spent more time playing games on than working ha ha. Ah those were the good old days. When I look back now and compare it to my current phone with 12 gigs of ram and 256 gigs of storage with bluetooth, wifi, gps, etc, etc it still blows my mind. Sadly the younger generation will never have the feelings and memories of being at the forefront of both the computer revolution and even the mobile phone revolution. Both of which I was able to see come to market in their very first generations. God, if I had a time machine I would go back to the 80's in a blink of an eye. like n sub.

  • @piconano
    @piconano7 ай бұрын

    After mid-90s the nostalgia wore off. The whole attraction of retro was the simplicity. With chipsets, simplicity went out the window.

  • @rich1051414

    @rich1051414

    7 ай бұрын

    IRQ conflicts conflicts with simplicity.

  • @connorwood95

    @connorwood95

    7 ай бұрын

    That and commoditisation. I find myself open to later, more highly integrated machines if they're interesting in their own right - Sun, SGI, etc - but after the mid 90s, if it's an Intel box it's an Intel box that runs Windows on one of a handful of BIOSes, one of a handful of chipsets, and probably looks identical to all of its contemporaries except in small, mostly inconsequential ways.

  • @volvo09
    @volvo097 ай бұрын

    It's extremely cool that it's NOS, but i'd pass it by, or wouldn't pay much for it. Being NOS it would make for a dangerous eBay impulse purchase only to be disappointed when you actually get it! The cost cutting of laptops at that time was very high, and as you said they were still stupidly expensive.

  • @colinstu
    @colinstu7 ай бұрын

    My 2407WFP-HC has a cathode and that thing takes like 30min to fully warm up, and that thing gets used daily. With it never being used, just like a CRT (if never used) needs to be run for awhile to fully "warm" up. May never reach as fully bright as it could've been, but better than how it is out of the box now.

  • @TechTimeTraveller
    @TechTimeTraveller7 ай бұрын

    Brings back memories of the first new laptop I ever ordered for myself, a Sager 820. Had a 166mhz desktop Pentium that cooked my lap to medium rare, and then eventually cooked itself to death.

  • @superslammer
    @superslammer7 ай бұрын

    This is just how they were. I had a few laptops in the 90s and they were all dark and slow. But this is still a really nice machine for it's day.

  • @superslammer

    @superslammer

    7 ай бұрын

    btw one of the function keys might pull the display to full screen. I remember having to do that with most things.

  • @moconnell663
    @moconnell6637 ай бұрын

    23:54 You would set it for monochrome if you were using it with an LCD overlay for an overhead projector! That would be one of the possible uses for the composite video output 😊

  • @kbhasi

    @kbhasi

    7 ай бұрын

    Right! I remember seeing a KZread video about a Sharp LCD overlay that was in colour (I think it used a DSTN LCD), but considering the time period, there probably would've been monochrome ones too (that probably also used a DSTN LCD but with white subpixels instead of RGB). Besides that, I had also seen DIY LCD overlays that used modified 15" LCD monitors too, but that only came about in the late 2000s or so.

  • @mogwaay
    @mogwaay7 ай бұрын

    Be cool to see some more of the inside, see if recapping can improve the audio and display brightness? I just won an auction for a 486 laptop motherboard for £1 so I was interested in this as I'm not really sure what I'm doing with it yet!

  • @Aeduo

    @Aeduo

    7 ай бұрын

    It might be fine just letting it run. You could notice the screen getting brighter and more evenly lit as it was on, but I imagine it was never particularly exceptional brightness. I remember seeing people's laptops back then and they were noticeably dim compared to CRTs. Same with sound. Laptop sound was remarkably bad, but yeah maybe this is exceptionally bad, but it might just be worth letting it play for a while.

  • @TylerSteven9
    @TylerSteven97 ай бұрын

    Just wanted to say I spent the last few weeks binge watching all your videos, thanks!

  • @05Forenza
    @05Forenza7 ай бұрын

    We never had a laptop in the 90's, but the couple I used here and there sucked lol. My childhood computers were a Commodore PC40-III running dos and Windows 3.1. We later on got a HP Pavillion with Windows 98 which I think was a Pentium 2? But my dad always was winning raffles of old computers from his engineering company. We had old IBM's, Epson's, Packard Bell, Hewlett Packard. You name it! For most of my childhood, we also had a monochrome NEC monitor that was outrageously heavy, but it was a pretty good size. Excellent sharp display.

  • @barkleybeaver2859
    @barkleybeaver28596 ай бұрын

    Laptops before the early 2000's were very special and premium devices. You can see the quality and how much care went into just the packaging and accessories. I absolutely love that laptop bag! If you weren't going to use it with the computer it came with, you could easily use it as a tablet case, etc.

  • @RussKnize
    @RussKnize7 ай бұрын

    I had a "Pro-Star" laptop that was one of these OEM laptops. Mine was a bit later...circa PII or III, IIRC. Was a good laptop and lasted quite a long time til the motherboard failed. It weighed just under 10lbs, so it was a beast to lug around. Did some gaming on it and it worked OK for that.

  • @nakfan
    @nakfan7 ай бұрын

    Thanks a lot for your always enjoyable videos 👍 All the best, Per (DK)

  • @andygozzo72
    @andygozzo727 ай бұрын

    dont 'twist' the screwdriver when locking/unlocking the cpu on those sockets but bend/lever the screwdriver downwards, so it 'pushes' the cpu, (hold the cpu down as well while doing it) or it may risk breaking the slot off the socket and then you'll never be able to use it again

  • @brianellison8744

    @brianellison8744

    7 ай бұрын

    Sounds like there are more variance of that type of mobile Socket 7 ZIF socket than I was aware of; I’m pretty sure the ones I have seen that require a twist would be broken by side to side levering as you describe.

  • @andygozzo72

    @andygozzo72

    7 ай бұрын

    @@brianellison8744 ones that NEED a twist usually have screw, ones that dont, just leverage have a slot, i have a few of each type , and its not 'side to side' levering but down across the cpu so it pushes it and the movable part of the socket, one slot to lock the cpu, the other side/end to unlock it

  • @seritools
    @seritools7 ай бұрын

    Looking forward to a Linux video for this lil notebook :)

  • @gentuxable
    @gentuxable7 ай бұрын

    I remember early CCFL like this, it would take about 20 minutes or so for them to reach full luminosity. And yeah they were really dark but some of those LCDs were slightly reflective so if the sun was really bright you could read text by having the sun shine onto it but the colours were all a bit off, white looked green and dark blue from title bars looked black.

  • @johnsonlam
    @johnsonlam7 ай бұрын

    Nostalgic, I did have an even worse one for my job, just need the terminal function, not games. The backlight is a fluorescent tubes (flexible) and it goes dimmer over use, also it's quiet normal this 199x TFT did not have enough brightness since the backlight did consume lot of power (so they set it even dimmer when power up), except reach the age of ACTIVE TFT it's dim. The ESS chips back then did famous for bad sound due to unknown reason, but it's normal sounds bad. ESS got "quality chips" only after 2010.

  • @escgoogle3865

    @escgoogle3865

    7 ай бұрын

    I rocked an 486SX33 at my first job which barely ran win95(floppy installed). It was all about serial cables and console.

  • @helldog3105
    @helldog31057 ай бұрын

    That's super cool. I love the mid to late 90's laptops. They were so unique in many ways.

  • @rusty1187
    @rusty11876 ай бұрын

    OMG!!! When you found the heat sink on the tin plate AFTER you stuck one on with the tape..... I fell off my couch laughing!!!

  • @tramadol42
    @tramadol427 ай бұрын

    I love how your videos always take me on a trip down nostalgia lane. We used to have these very laptops to control the milling machines in our local branches. They had the same logo as our CNC's back then, which we made fun of (because of the outrageously high prices we were charged). And we tried (disappointingly) to play on them when none of the bosses were around.

  • @RETROMachines
    @RETROMachines7 ай бұрын

    Love this episode.

  • @wintermute740
    @wintermute7407 ай бұрын

    That NOS laptop is screaming for an old, period-correct version of Slackware. ;)

  • @chubbyadler3276
    @chubbyadler32767 ай бұрын

    The display and sound of laptops of that era were just that anemic. You could see the display at full brightness in an office, but you could forget about taking it outside or into a room any brighter than an average cubicle. ...and of course, if you had any ambient noise around you, the sound was impossible to hear.

  • @jeromewink557

    @jeromewink557

    7 ай бұрын

    I agree. That’s why no one had laptops then unless you absolutely had to move around. The trade offs were extreme. High cost. Bad performance and a 30 minute battery use.

  • @the_kombinator

    @the_kombinator

    7 ай бұрын

    My Armada from 1998 is perfect for portable retro gaming - plenty of backlight, plenty of sound, and even enough battery power for 2 hrs.

  • @cpm1003

    @cpm1003

    7 ай бұрын

    @@the_kombinator I assume that has an active matrix display. That was a major improvement for laptops at the time. Passive matrix was so lousy, they probably quit using them completely by '98.

  • @the_kombinator

    @the_kombinator

    7 ай бұрын

    @@cpm1003 It is. I also have a Compaq 4/25 with a backlit mono VGA TFT. It's actually usable though, you CAN Doom on it.

  • @mbob4337
    @mbob43377 ай бұрын

    I love how the holding foam hasn't changed. The shape is still used on a PS2 and PS4 console.

  • @RetroCaptain

    @RetroCaptain

    7 ай бұрын

    It's Polyethylene. Still used today. Will last forever. Made from "shopping bag plastic" LDPE 4

  • @pmsrodrigues
    @pmsrodrigues7 ай бұрын

    echo ^G still works to get a beep/sound, even in Windows 10, prob. 11. 😁

  • @jeromewink557
    @jeromewink5577 ай бұрын

    Yes. Your thinkpad was better. It also cost almost twice as much.

  • @mikemoyercell

    @mikemoyercell

    7 ай бұрын

    correct these were meant to be cheap machines. they werent super expensive and you get what you pay for.

  • @RicardoRamosRetrocomputacao
    @RicardoRamosRetrocomputacao6 ай бұрын

    It is extremely similar to the Texas Instruments "TravelMate" before Acer's acquisition. I've seen some laptops with a very similar design but in other specs and at other times, with the name of cheap manufacturers, something like "Wallmart brand laptop". Their problem (and the reason you don't find them today) is because they broke the plastic fairing very easily, some had hard hinges, and one day you open it, and everything breaks. Later, during the pentium 3 era, these manufacturers adopted terrible cooling solutions, which caused these laptops to die prematurely, and this lasted until the middle of the core2duo era.

  • @SammyRenard
    @SammyRenard7 ай бұрын

    Maaaan, I wanna hug that laptop! it looks adorable!

  • @danthompsett2894
    @danthompsett28947 ай бұрын

    omg it includes a carrying case that mustve been well expensive, its unheard of to have a carrying case included.

  • @cliffshockley4406
    @cliffshockley44067 ай бұрын

    Used to buy the "Green" computers from FOSA computer back during this time.

  • @Dee_Just_Dee
    @Dee_Just_Dee7 ай бұрын

    9:30 I remember being a teenager in the 1990s and using old hand-me-down IBM desktops like an XT and a 286... until my parents got a P2-class Celeron desktop in 1998... And the price tags of laptops just made my eyes water. It felt like you could get a desktop PC for about CAD$1,200, but a laptop would set you back about CAD$3,000. You could buy a brand new car the same price as just 3 or 4 laptops. It kinda blew my mind how anybody but absolute VIPs could justify spending that much on a computer knowing that it would be painfully obsolete in just 2 years.

  • @CoMmAnDrX
    @CoMmAnDrX7 ай бұрын

    Reminds me of a Toshiba Tecra

  • @ralger
    @ralger5 ай бұрын

    I had a Sanyo suitcase computer in about 1989 it had a 8088 processor with 640 k ram , 20 MB hard drive with a 8 inch colour monitor . That Sucker must have weighed 30 to 40 pounds. I sold it quick for $1200 a year after I had paid $1300 . It played Leisure Suit Larry and was real joy to own. Nostalgia is always better after even a longer time period. Lucky you getting that baby new in the box.

  • @humidbeing
    @humidbeing7 ай бұрын

    I love when Adrian gets a super nice vintage item donated from a viewer that most people would love to have and he craps all over it while opening it.

  • @SonicBoone56

    @SonicBoone56

    7 ай бұрын

    Haven't watched the video yet but I sure hope he didn't literally crap on it xD

  • @soberlife

    @soberlife

    7 ай бұрын

    It seems like it was a "budget" laptop that didn't age well.

  • @stevef6392

    @stevef6392

    7 ай бұрын

    I didn't see it that way. Laptops really were overpriced, generally poorly made computing devices back then. Adrian was just telling it as it is.

  • @nickwallette6201

    @nickwallette6201

    7 ай бұрын

    @@stevef6392 That's how I see it, too. He was being pretty charitable. Even name-brand laptops of that time take a healthy dose of nostalgia to love. This one ... uhh, I would not go out of my way to add this to my collection. "Can you believe noone bought this?"

  • @Toonrick12

    @Toonrick12

    7 ай бұрын

    Laptops were kind of a generation behind in the 80's and 90's. They always had bottlenecks of some sort.

  • @abc456102
    @abc4561026 ай бұрын

    Having been stored for 27 years and still looking so new, it's really something.

  • @maxtornogood
    @maxtornogood7 ай бұрын

    I grew up in the 90's so I have a soft spot for 90's desktops / laptops.

  • @stay.in.school.
    @stay.in.school.6 ай бұрын

    i use these videos to show my child what walking to school uphill in the snow both ways was like...

  • @Capt.Marco-Hawk-L.L.A.P
    @Capt.Marco-Hawk-L.L.A.P7 ай бұрын

    for most things to work right on a laptop you really need the drivers, i had a laptop of the same era as this the sound was very quiet until the sound driver was installed, but then it was just ok

  • @scottgfx
    @scottgfx7 ай бұрын

    Reminds me of when I bought a cheap UMAX laptop around 1999 or 2000. I had it for a day and my dad wanted it, so I sold it to him. I remember a distinct plastic smell.

  • @ouch1011
    @ouch10117 ай бұрын

    All of the old CCD laptops I’ve had did the same thing. They were basically so dim on start up that the screen was unreadable, they got brighter as they warmed up but never really got bright. LED backlit LCDs were a massive improvement.

  • @bluehatguy4279
    @bluehatguy42797 ай бұрын

    Even if I don't care for compressed laptop keyboard layouts, this era of old machines has much better keys than those calculator buttons you see on new laptops today.

  • @femboichik
    @femboichik7 ай бұрын

    Thanks, Adrian! I'm wondering, maybe shooting on your Pixel is gonna be better?

  • @geoffreyreuther5260
    @geoffreyreuther52607 ай бұрын

    dang, the sliding ZIF socket. Memory unlocked!

  • @paulluce2557
    @paulluce25573 ай бұрын

    Dont forget that the backlighting in the early colour LCD screens were flourescent tubes mainly.. They may need to be worked a bit to get them up to full brightness.

  • @AntonyTCurtis
    @AntonyTCurtis7 ай бұрын

    You're absolutely right about laptops of the late 1990s and early 2000s.

  • @quakesin1982
    @quakesin19827 ай бұрын

    I've have that style of CMOS battery pack leak and destroy a laptop, definitely should replace those.

  • @Katchi_
    @Katchi_4 ай бұрын

    22:43 Turns laptop on... travels back in time for the most authentic viewer experience.

  • @Freykling
    @Freykling7 ай бұрын

    Ah, something up a bit more up my alley as a starting collector of 80's/90's laptops. I'm particulary fond of the early Toshiba's like the T1850 I have, they are mighty cute in their white housing. I might go and do some videos in the future about the ones I currently have like a Zenith Minisport or a Compaq SLT386/20 (with removable keyboard!). Anyway, loving your videos and hope to see some more portables in the future :)

  • @sonic2000gr
    @sonic2000gr7 ай бұрын

    We were selling something similar during 98-99 in the shop I was working back then. I vividly remember the one-line LCDs. Some customers actually liked these.

  • @andrasszabo7386
    @andrasszabo73867 ай бұрын

    I have the same laptop branded as Portocom, and I have installed AMD K6-2 333, and it could be configured, and working. Though I had to stick a heatsink and fan on that thing and got rid of the factory one.

  • @quayzar1
    @quayzar17 ай бұрын

    Sounds like the volume is set too low for decent line level output. The keyboard controls usually require a driver for volume as these were expected to mainly run Windows 95.

  • @Thekodakmak
    @Thekodakmak7 ай бұрын

    All I can think of is George Costanza storing all of the computers he "sold" in Kramer's apartment. Serenity NOW!!!

  • @reinoud6377
    @reinoud63777 ай бұрын

    Oh, thats a unique one. Haven't seen anything like that with a floppy in the front

  • @the_kombinator
    @the_kombinator7 ай бұрын

    By the late 90s though the laptops were comparable in performance to a 2-3 year old desktop. I have a Compaq Armada 1750 PII for portable retro gaming and it does that job fantastically - decent speakers, very nice screen, just plug in a PS/2 mouse and you've still got an hour per battery to play Settlers 2 Gold on your flight to the tropics. :D

  • @fredygump5578
    @fredygump55787 ай бұрын

    Back in the day we were excited every time computers got better, because deep down we knew the best ones were not very good yet. But that didn't stop them from being expensive!

  • @michaelcoll433
    @michaelcoll4336 ай бұрын

    I used to have a little museum of this kind of thing along with manyals and drivers. I gave away several rubbermaid tubs of the stuff to a local computer club when i retired. The only thing i miss is the full size 80MB MFM Seagate. You could actually make an IBM AT dance. Oh no, i forgot the old debug sequence for formatting the drive. 😢😢😢.

  • @grecinos2
    @grecinos2Ай бұрын

    Nice review! I used to have a Green 759 laptop from the early 2000's. I was excited when I purchased it as It was my first laptop. It too has numerous input / output features. The DVD drive was a bonus (although it was not powerful enough to play DVD movies). Otherwise, the features were one of the reasons I purchased it. To be honest, it was very unreliable. Within a year it began to exhibit problems. It would power off by itself. The vendor I bought it from insisted that it was my fault and refused to repair it even though it was under the warranty period. I ended up selling it on eBay and I still have the photos and auction content.

  • @jdebultra
    @jdebultra7 ай бұрын

    I'd install Slackware 3.3 or 4 on it. Very cool video.

  • @nakfan

    @nakfan

    7 ай бұрын

    Curious if 3.3 or 4 are the best versions - or just the ones that runs best on such an old machine 😊 (saw that the latest release was 15) BR, Per

  • @jdebultra

    @jdebultra

    7 ай бұрын

    @@nakfan well I have been using it very close to that 1996 time. I started with 3.5 and using 14 in 2023. I've not installed 15 yet, 14 still jamming along.

  • @EdGreenTO
    @EdGreenTO6 ай бұрын

    The feature of this video for me was the white balance hunt 🍄thanks for mentioning it early lol

  • @apreviousseagle836
    @apreviousseagle8367 ай бұрын

    This reminded me of my first laptop ever: The Thinkpad 720c. Terrible construction. Hinges were falling apart. Power board used to blow the fuse, and had to keep replacing it. And it was just a slow 486, but oh that Doom goodness, Shareware Doom! Knee Deep in the Dead.

  • @JamesHalfHorse
    @JamesHalfHorse7 ай бұрын

    I think I had one based on that exact model. Couple others. I found a lot of the "white box" ones like this will randomly have interesting features and ports that high end branded ones don't have like the game ports and composite out this one has for example but fall short elsewhere. Being able to swap around some of the hardware and have a bit of control over it is missed too.

  • @harrooppermann7863
    @harrooppermann78637 ай бұрын

    Yes, my past. I worked for a German Computer Distributor as a technical product manager. I had to test all the new stuff modem ISDN and yes Notebooks. This notebook in Germany was sold by Yakumo. The dealer price of this backbone with CPU 133, 8MB was about 1300.00 German Mark in 1996 without tax. Would be 800 Euro. I agree with your opinion about the housing, we call it yogurt cup because of the thin plastic. But in one year the distributor sold around 15000 units in different configs and we really had no real problems with them. Less then 1% broke while they had warrenty. They were to expesive, so every owner handelt them with care. Nice video, thanks Harro

  • @coolie4u
    @coolie4u6 ай бұрын

    My portables in 90s and early 00s were incredibly expensive compared to the cost of them now 😁

  • @diesunddas1592
    @diesunddas15927 ай бұрын

    I'm somewhat into old Laptops for about 20 years or so, mainly Toshiba, and in my experience those cheapo STN/DSTN-type Display don't age well. Being not great as they were new they get dimmer and smeary when they get old and sometimes they get those orange "hot pixel islands" you often see on old laptops. Therefore, when I'm looking for a specific model to add to my collection, I always look for the variant with the TFT-Display you could buy as an option back then. Those are mostly in a good condition even after 30 years (my oldest Laptop with an active matrix Display is a Toshiba T3400CT from 1993). But you should also remember which great advancements have been taken place in the last few years and nowadays we're used to see the modern UHD-Monitors with their perfect brightness and high pixel density. On our "1990s eyes" the displays dind't look THAT bad. ;-)

  • @jimmyhillgren7479
    @jimmyhillgren74797 ай бұрын

    At my first job in 1999 we had an ancient "portable" 286 that was mainly only used for running one program.

  • @userperson5259
    @userperson52597 ай бұрын

    We had one of these "GREEN" model laptops back in the day. I still have all the drivers in my software cache. This was the cat's meow for business at the time I remember.. at least it was a good deal I think.

  • @LungsMcGee
    @LungsMcGee6 ай бұрын

    When you turned the plate over and there was the heatsink it reminded me of the prank call with the Welshman who called a supermarket's help line to complain there were no toppings on the pizza he'd just purchased. After much ado it turned out he'd just opened it upside down 😂😂🤣🤣😂😂

  • @daffyduk77

    @daffyduk77

    3 ай бұрын

    You sure it wasn't an Irishman 🙂

  • @666Counterforce
    @666Counterforce7 ай бұрын

    The TV output reminds me of my first C64 for which I had a TV-adapter because I did not have a monitor the first couple of months.

  • @oscarcharliezulu
    @oscarcharliezulu7 ай бұрын

    1990’s Toshiba laptops were amazing.

  • @LonSeidman
    @LonSeidman7 ай бұрын

    My 1997 Micron XKE (233 MMX) is still running ! It was pricey but got a huge discount on it when they started the transition to Pentium II machines. It has more ports than any computer I've ever owned. Game port, AV out, even a USB 1.0 port! I had no idea Micron's machines were re-badges of generic devices.

  • @DavidWonn
    @DavidWonn7 ай бұрын

    I love laptops from this era in the 1990s! This would be very handy for running an old version of Excel (5.0 / 95) and taking it to a gaming meet without worrying about messing up a more modern laptop on a long road trip / flight.

  • @uni-byte
    @uni-byte7 ай бұрын

    In 1997 my work bought a fully loaded Toshiba Tecra 520CDT for me that cost over $6000. However, unlike lesser machines it was quite the little powerhouse. Like the Compaq Deskpro on my desk it had a Pentium MMX @ 166MHz and performed nearly as well. The only real advantage the desktop had was it's faster HD. I still have that Toshiba and it still runs. The HD has been replaced with a Compact Flash card and it runs Windows 98SE considerably faster than my Lenovo T480 runs Windows 11.

  • @recursiveidentity
    @recursiveidentity7 ай бұрын

    I remember a friend of mine brought his laptop over in 96 that looked very similar to this, probably was the same kind. I remember that Phoenix BIOS from my old Packard Bell

  • @MrLamchp
    @MrLamchp6 ай бұрын

    Like a magician pulling processors out of a hat

  • @Aeduo
    @Aeduo7 ай бұрын

    That's pretty cool that the VGA border color fills the whole border region of the LCD, or at least that's what I'm guessing that is. With the right commands, could be maybe made to look like a C64. :D

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